42: Zach Cervi

Well, here's the thing is like they they claim When you're on the inside. Yeah, I can't relate. Yeah, that these are the best chips you can possibly buy better than anything You can get on the outside. We got to validate that. Yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna check this out here Zack, sorry. You're not here to try the whole shebang man. There's that they're kind of they're kind of orange Open up. They kind of have a really orange look to them. Oh, they almost look like barbecue chips They smell like barbecue chips. I'm gonna I'm gonna let Mike give the first dab here They're actually in pretty good shape. These look like kettle, they look like a kettle chip. Okay. They look like kettle chips. Make sure you get the essence of the crunch into the microphone. All right, are you gonna record in this? There you go. Had a boy. There wasn't like a shank or anything in the bag, was there? I'm looking for my prize in the bottom of the bag. Yeah. Oh look, there's a metal file in here that I can get out of my handcuffs with. (upbeat music) [Music] Eat my mic over here. Welcome everybody to episode number 42 of the Coffee and Codecast. What are you trying to do over here? My, my, my board. Go ahead. You're in charge. I'm sorry about that. This is the tech podcast where we talked about neither coffee or code. We got a little loop going on. I think that I made a mistake over here. Now we're much better. All right. There it is. Welcome, I'm Kyle Johnson. You are? Yeah. How are you doing, Kyle? most days i'm mike she and thanks join us today on the podcast we got lots of news to cover including a long awaited spin coffee update july edition and there's a new player entering the race for global satellite internet we talk a little bit about that and uh... in wow really in the absence of tesla news for the third week in a row got a lot to talk about i couldn't put any test and we weeks in a row i'm blown away here uh... kyle gets desperate finds a story about an electric motorcycle for the record i found that one Okay, okay fair enough. All right, so there's a new voice on the podcast today. Well, and finally today we're joined by a special guest. He's a full stack engineer hailing out of Denver, Colorado, a graduate of the University of Northern Colorado in computer software engineering and business administration. Everyone give a warm welcome to Zach Servey. Zach, welcome to the cast. Thank you for having me. Happy to be here. Do tell us a little bit about yourself. So you've been, you were co-workers, were colleagues, you work out of the Denver office, obviously, and you've been here for a few months now. Tell us a little bit about what's going on. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so I started about two or three months ago. Started off with my career in healthcare technology. The .NET world moved over to a company that specialized in credentialing. And then kind of decided that .NET wasn't really my thing. And the opportunity at quote wizard came about with node and view. And you know, it's funny is that you know, you guys are out of the Seattle office. And you guys are that not net stack beers already kicking in. Welcome to the club, buddy. Right. Oh, that's not the beer can. That's the one. Have another nice. So yeah, working full stack at Quote Wizard, absolutely loving it. That's great. So you have a good time with the team, and you're enjoying it so far. Yeah, it's really awesome. And then I do a little bit of mobile development on the side. I'm currently working on a project to launch a workout app with a friend from high school who is actually an engineer at Google. He hit me up one day and was like, hey, I have this idea. Would you be down? And the rest is pretty much history. That's exciting. - Interesting because Mike did a little, as you know, you've listened to the whole catalog. So Mike's done a little bit of app, well, tried to do a little bit of app development via, what was that? - Flutter. - I was getting into Flutter for a little bit. I did some React, mobile. - Okay. - Native. - But you bounced out of that pretty quick. - And then really got into Flutter for a minute. - Right. - It was a more recite thing. I just wanted to pick it up a little bit. What are you doing in? Are you doing native development or using your framework? So we started off native with iOS and then a few months back when they released Flutter. I initially thought it was just a front-end framework. Did a little bit more research and jumped on a couple courses online and found out you could do a lot with it. So I've been working in Flutter. Our initial plan is to deploy our app just for iOS since that was pretty much done. and just needs to get out the door. We've been in beta for a couple of months now. But then I thought it made more sense to switch to Flutter and have one code base. So I'm basically taking what we wrote in iOS and converting it into Flutter. - Oh, that's really cool. - This guy speaking to you. - Yeah, this is on your points. - I wish I knew him six months ago that project I was working on that would have been really helpful then. - Right on, that's really cool. - We'll have to keep us posted on the project when it comes out, we can give a shout out to it, do a little advertising here. And then just also be curious to know how that process goes from migrating from iOS native to flutter, for sure. - Yeah, definitely. - Definitely keep you in the loop. - Awesome. - And if it's available in beta, I don't know if it's public beta or private beta, but if it's available, I post a link into the show notes and I'll definitely put that in the show notes and we post the episode. - Yeah, I'll let you know. I'll talk to the guy I'm working with 'cause he's been more in charge of our beta in that process, but I know at one point he talked about just letting it loose to Reddit, and I was like, I don't know, man, like Reddit. They might tear us apart. - Yeah, that's a blessing in a curse right there, Reddit. - Well Kyle, how are you doing today, buddy? - I'm great, well, I'm a two-marx in. - Kyle got a loopy deal. We always have a little pre show, a little pre funk over at the old mexy joint across the street here. I had a big day of meetings. Yeah. And I see you were a little eager. Really eager for the market. I almost built another beer. Yeah, you did. You went great, man. Kind of like this. Yeah. Kyle gets a little turns. I don't want to talk about this too much. So I think we should move on to the first follow-up item. Is your grandma watching right now? You probably have some family members that wouldn't be very interested in you. It's fine. Where's Lexan? Where's everybody? We're missing a few people. That's good Karen zero. Okay. Good. He didn't have to make a watch to put on a good show for my mother Yeah, I made sure he didn't get too crazy at the place. I'm a good role model for him. So Don't worry about that. Yeah We got quite a few follow-up show notes. Don't we call yeah? Why don't we jump right into that because I think that's important So number one last episode we talked about some chips here from from prison. We were talking about prison life Yes, the episode. Yeah, I had a pretty funny conversation actually with somebody from the office here Who was that that I was talking to where I was like have you oh Quentin one of our HR I T guys yeah, and I was like have you ever I led the conversation off with have you ever been to prison? Yeah, that was an interesting icebreaker He didn't know the context well the context was when in prison here You can get the whole shebang potato chips was you can see here if you're watching the feed and a little context here so the there is a food very much like a con-agra or some of these big guys in the food industry. So like for the prison systems, the private, there's a private company that provides like most of the food for all the prison systems here, right? Yeah. And this manufacturer, whoever, who are these guys here? I don't know. I'll the vet products LLC, I don't know. But whatever, like they basically come up, this whole shabang is there. This is like, this shit is worth a lot of money. Well, I'll give you an example. This came from Amazon. These chips are not in full form, I can tell you that. Yeah, they're all abused in transit. - It's chipped us here. - I wouldn't put those in bubble wrap. And next time I would put them in a cardboard box. But that's for you. - So we got the whole Shebang Chips here. This is a $12, $12, $12, $6, a bag of chips that I bought here. - This would get your shift inside, on the inside though, man. - Oh yeah, keep fucking want these things. - Right, if you steal it from a fellow Selly. - Who? - Yeah, they call them these days. My fellow Selly. I stole these Shebangs from my fellow Selly. - Yeah, right. - Interesting, man. - Yeah. would make all kinds of kitchen creations with this. Like this was the foundation for things that they would like throw in ramen packets and chile and right they would do all kinds of crazy things with the whole shabang and that was kind of the foundational food item. - It's almost like a, you know, like back in the day you'd have like what a seven layer dip. - Right, yeah. - So you would grab things from commissary and you'd throw them into this bag and they would boil water and put it in there and it would cook inside of this bag and then they would. - Oh, I haven't seen that. like the ones that I saw, like they would use like the chips is like a base layer. Yeah. And then they just start putting stuff on like like I said, like a layer dip in like a Pyrex. Oh no, this was like a whole boil. Oh. This would have been, yeah, like they'll boil water, put ramen in there, get the noodles cooked, add the chili packets, other seasonings. I mean, it was basically an MSG sodium carbohydrate fucking playground in a bag. Well, here's the thing is like they claim when you're on the inside. Yeah, I can't relate. Yeah, these are the best chips you can possibly buy. Better than anything you can get on the outside. We got to validate that. So we're going to check this out here. Zach, sorry you're not here to try the whole shebang, man. There's a kind of orange. Open up. They kind of have a really orange look to them. Oh, they almost look like barbecue chips. They smell like barbecue chips. I'm going to let Mike give the first dab here. They're actually in pretty good shape. These look like kettle, they look like a kettle chip. Okay. They look like kettle chips. Make sure you get the essence of crunch into the microphone. All right, are you gonna record in this? There you go. How'd a boy. Hmm, there wasn't like a shank or anything in the bag, was there? I'm looking for my prize in the bottom of the bag. Yeah. Oh look, there's a metal file in here that I can get out of my handcuffs with. Cell phone in the bag. That's what they do, man, they fucking, that's why I was told boxers. There's probably a burner phone down here in the bottom. I mean, there must be already taken a second one. I'm gonna take a second one. They're really salty. - Oh. - Some of that ramen. - There's a lot of vinegar on the chip. - Yeah. Very barbecued tasting, I agree with you. Not my favorite. - This is, hmm, okay. Then what's the flavor? What is this flavor? - This is the original flavor. - This is original. It's got a lot of seasoning. It's very salty. It's like a sea salt and vinegar chip. maybe with some other spice on there. - Yeah, there's a lot of vinegar on there. I don't like that. I'm not a vinegar fan, so I'm-- - Potatoes, veggie oil. - I don't think I would do it in prison. - Seasoning, MSG, it's the MSG. Yeast, to roulette yeast. - How many carbs in this are you jumping out of here? - One ounce, 16 grams of carb. - Per. - There's six per bags, that's not bad. - All right. - That's only five percent. - I don't wanna get you out of ketosis or anything. - Yeah, that's why I stick to the light bear's buddy. [laughter] Hmm. What kind of beer are you drinking? Oh. What do we have on tap? It was a logger of some kind. I don't remember what it was. Um, that we are drinking. We ran out of course light. You had the-- Well. I mean, I have a course light. You say that like that's a bad thing. They know. [laughter] You're from Denver. I mean, how can you say that? Yeah, you don't-- You tap the Rockies all the time. Don't you? I'm sure down there. Yeah, I'm more of a craft brewery guy. - I'm a craft brewery guy, like once you go to all the local breweries, just the - Cold light and Bud light, it just doesn't satisfy. - I'm teasing, I actually like craft beer too, which is kind of the funny, it's an office thing. Oh, Christine's back on here, she goes, stop, make me hungry. These are some fucking, you're not missing out on too much. They're a little salty, they're a little heavily vinegar season. - I'd rather have me some of my sound chips or something. - Yeah, not my favorite. - Don't spend 12 bucks, but they work. - But yeah, no, Zach, don't get me wrong, man. I don't mind like my good bodhisattva, I have a bodhisattva IPA, Georgetown Brewing, down in South Seattle here, excellent. One of the best IPAs in Seattle. But for the endurance beer, the office has always been kind of partial to Cours Light. The partners like to have a nice refreshing on ice cold Cours Light. So we have a blinder. - And a blinder. - It's in abundance here at the office. You know, when you start day drinking it like noon and you gotta make it last for a while. - But you switched to the Corona premium. - Yeah, lately I've been doing, yeah, because the whole low carb low calorie thing, there's like Michelobaltre, which is kind of like a step up from water with little alcohol. So I'll do that, or the corona is it premier or premier? - Oh, premier. - You're on a premier. - I can't remember. - That's even lighter than a Michelotre. It's like 90 calories and 2.3 grams of carbs or something like that. - Definitely a endurance bear. Like when I was in Scottsdale, I'll sit at the pool from 10 a.m. to sunset. like that's what you use the power throughout. - Runner premier, you are correct. - Yeah. 2.6 grams. - There you go, a few more. Although I recently discovered something else, so there's another crap brewer here in Seattle, Schooner, exact. They're down in Soto as well. And they have a product called San Juan Seltzer, 'cause they're trying to compete with white cloth and truly, all those guys. And that is zero carbs, 4.2% alcohol. You could drink as many of those as you want and still not be out of ketosis, man. I'm bleeding. Probably won't be that drunk either. It only takes 20 to get a buzz. Hey, how about that? That's a good marketing pitch. They sell a lot of those then. Speaking of buzz. Yeah. There's a lot of buzz about the spin coffee update. Thank you for moving us along. We're getting a little stuck here. Yeah, so I did get an update. I always get the updates right after an episode. So after 41, I got an update on the spin coffee maker. and I'm gonna give you a quote, this is exciting 'cause we've been, is Gomer on tonight? I don't think he is right now. - Oh, I heard from Gomer. - I'll check it out. - Give us the update. - Oh, Karen, by the way, before we switched topics, Karen is a big fan of the Bud Select 55. She goes, you can have two of those for one, Cours light. - Oh. - And I, and that's a good point because that's what got some of our, some of the regulars down at, you know, Confort Room F as we call, Fuel Sports Bar down here. Confort Room F, quote, was there, And a lot of guys stop drinking the coars light because they found that you can have, yeah, exactly. You can have two for one if you're going for a lighter low-carb beer. And I don't think we've had the Buds Select 55 down there yet, but that's something that we'll have to report back on that. I don't see the Gomer online here, but one quick note before we move on to the Spin Coffee update, because he loves the Spin Coffee update. He is a recent-- he accepted a position with UPS. Did he really? - Yeah, he's a new hire at UPS, so congratulations to the Governor. Whenever he listens to episode 42. - Awesome, congrats buddy. I was a hub-sorter for UPS for a year or so. - Yeah. - It was one of the best jobs ever had. - Yeah. - So make him happy, give him a spin coffee update. - Yeah, lots of updates. So this is a quote, our first shipment quote, our first shipment is imminent. Wow, I bought this thing in 2016 on Kickstarter. (laughing) And the first shipment is imminent and it's July 2019. So it's been two and a half years. And there's a lot of updates. Yeah, they're in the final phases of testing and the tooling's done and the machine's built, right? Most of it's ready to go. A lot of this update had to do with minor stuff, the packaging, right? They're doing crushed testing and edge shaking the package and dropping it and trying to make sure that the thing can survive shipment across the container-- in the container ship and then like to the final destination. >> So they're beyond actually developing the product at this point. Now it's totally packaging and how to get it shipped effectively without damaging the product. >> That's right. >> They've moved beyond all the kind of minutiae of like, oh, we need to, it's vibrating too hard when it spins. >> That's right, yeah. >> That's right. So the reengineering, the retooling that occurred, that seems to be in the past now. They've figured those things out. They gave an update on the grinder. They were doing some endurance testing on that and they didn't say much about it, but they've been very thorough in their QA process all through and through. So yeah, I'm updating on that, on the packaging, they gave a demo of the milk froth or so. The Pro model comes with a milk froth, and you can do two types of froth. You can do either the hot froth, it'll heat it up for you for a certain drink, so we're gonna do the cold milk froth, if that's what you want for like a nice coffee kind of a deal. So I've got the Pro, that's what I ordered, so I'm gonna get one of those, and it looks pretty good. The demo was nice. Also, with the Pro model comes the water line connection. So connectivity, you can have a hard line into your water so you don't have to refill the container, the canister, and the back. And that looked pretty slick as well. It was very easy. They gave you the whole kit to set up and plug into your existing line. So that should be very plug and play. And this is a little gimmicky, but I thought this is hilarious. They come out of the initial part of the update, where they have a feature on getting the taste right. And so, you know, the spin coffee maker has a bank of recipes. And so, depending on where you get the grounds, if you go through their marketplace and you buy coffee grounds, the recipes will be downloaded to your machine. So if you buy a bag from, you know, the, what do we call them? The beaneries, a couple of you say, oh, we talk coffee beaneries. - Yeah, that's right, that's the technical term. If you get your coffee from a particular beenery, beenery X has their own recipes for how they want their dark roast, the temperature and the spin and all of that. It gets downloaded into the machine. And this guy is helping adjust and fine tune those recipes. His name is Wooter Brunia. - Wooter. - Found this guy named Amsterdam. Wooter, and he is a K.A. the coffee nose. That is his title. So they've got some big hitters. They got some heavy hitters now. It's been trying to dial in the fine details the finest coffee machine that you can get anywhere residentially to your home on your home countertop. So that's kind of the update, man. Like they're in the final stages. They're dropping these things and kicking them and making sure they survive transit. And then they're going to ship pretty soon. Excellent. That's awesome. Is that your coffee drinker? I am. I was joking with Bruce the other day that-- because he does our order for food in the office. I was joking with him. You should add an espresso machine on there. He's like, "Talk to Dawn about it." - Oh, dude, do it, just do it. I mean, we have a couple over here. We got the Breville. - Yeah. - We have the Breville machine here on the third floor and we got another one up on the fifth floor now, apparently. - We can talk to Brad about getting you a spin coffee for the, Brad, if you're listening right now, the Denver office, like the morale would be a little bit higher if they had a Breville coffee maker. - Well, and I'm looking here, while you were talking, I was like, "Well, can you make a boozy iced coffee cocktail?" - I could. - Yeah. - On my spin machine, yeah. - Right, exactly. So like when, you know, when it finally delivers, - Yeah. - We can make our boozy cocktails here right on the cast. I think it'll be great. - I will bring it in, I will make it, it's Alexa enabled, so we should bring a sonos in, and we can ask Alexa to make the coffee for us. - There you go. - We'll throw a little booze in the bottom of the beer at first just to make sure that it's extra special for you, get you nice and lubed up. How much does the magic coffee machine cost? Yeah, you know, like I bought it a long time ago, so it feels like it's free now, because I paid you two and a half years ago. And they had early bird pricing on that. It was almost 50% off, but yeah. - Is it 300 bucks? - They have three tiers of coffee maker and I don't remember now, they're full price now, by the way, they got rid of the pre-order pricing. So that's not unfortunate, it's not an option. But they do have, let me pull it up here. There's a lot, this is a lot to do about nothing. This doesn't talk about prices. On their main webpage, they have like, Well, they have nothing to ship. So why would they do a couple of prices at this point? - Here it is. Well, because the pre-order window closed. - Okay. - And so, now before I read off the prices, I have to point out that this, the claim, and it's a beautiful all-in-one machine, right? Like this thing looks like for all intents and purposes, a regular coffee maker that fits under the countertop. It's kind of like a round, like cylindrical thing, and it's Alexa enabled. And so you throw whole beans into the hopper on top. and you hook it up to Alexa if that's what you wanna do and you can use your phone or voice control to say make me an espresso, make me a French press, make me an Americana, whatever it is you wanna do. And it'll, it knows how to do all that. As long as there's a glass under the damn thing, it should make that for you, like hopefully. - So for those of you who are that are listening, by the way, before I, before he goes any further, I'm gonna go ahead and paste in a link to our Facebook chat if you're listening so you can kind of follow along here with the pricing. - Good, yeah. So yeah, so, but the promise of this machine is that it is a commercial grade, think of La Marzoco, the big countertop machines that you see in a Starbucks or in a specialty coffee shop. The promise is to bring that into the home. And so you're gonna pay a premium for it. Essentially the base model starts at $500, $499, all the way up to $999 for the professional model. And the professional model does come with, well they all come with a certain dollar amount coffee credits that you get through their marketplace. And depending on which level you get, you get a carafe and a bean reservoir, a milk frother and a water supply line. So yeah, not a, not a natural level machine by any means but it's the promise is big. So we'll see. It's supposed to be the closest experience you can get to a professional coffee maker for the home. If you like specialty drinks. - So you got the original Pro. - Correct. for a discounted price of what? - I paid-- - That's a $9.99 machine. - Yeah, I got mine for $300 off, so I think I paid $600 for that. - Okay. - Maybe $400 off. I think I paid $5.99 for mine. That's what it was for $9.99. - I could fly up to Seattle to try this. - I think you should. I think you should. - You should. - Yeah. - Exactly. Yeah, come up here for the big unveil. You need to come up here anyway. Brad, that's not our thing. Like Brad would be okay. He would approve a trip up here just to meet the staff. and he's encouraging that more of us collaborate and get together. So I think that'd be totally acceptable. - There's gonna be unboxing. There's gonna be a first brew. - Yeah. - This is gonna be a big deal. - So this will be this live show. This will be September. We'll probably do this in September. I think this will be a book your ticket now, Zach. Sometime first week in September, we'll plan on that. Brad approves it, I'm sure. I'm not worried about that. - I'll bring it up when he's in Denver. - Yeah, there you go. - That's right. So very good. That's the spin coffee update. And we should probably move it along. We're already a good 23 minutes in. We're going a little long. Zach, you're getting real rotted over there. How you doing, by the way, man? How's your beer treating you over there? It's pretty good. I'm drinking a mango mosaic from Breckenridge Brewery. Oh, the Breck. I like that. Have you been, you've probably been to the Breckenridge one down in Littleton, then? My grandparents actually live right next door to it. next door to it. No shift. So a very convenient walk. That's awesome. That's awesome. I went there after they opened and I just loved it. It's just a really cool space, a huge space. It's a huge space. It's like a barn. It's massive. Yeah. Although I have to say my favorite brewery is New Belgium and Fort Collins. Okay. makers of the fat tire and various other Okay, so are there, is that the right guys? - Yeah, they do fat tire, voodoo rangers, their IPA. If you're into Sowers, they do lawfully. - Love Sowers. - Sowers are great, yeah. - So good. We had a friend that worked there a few years ago, and every year she would buy a bottle, and she saved like five years worth of bottles and just kept them. And so we did a pairing taste with like five years of aged beer and paired it with cheese and vegetables. So good. - We need to, what we need to do is part of it, we should do a little exchange, but down here, at least in Oregon, for as far as sourbears are concerned, the guard is kind of like the cream of the crop. I don't know if you're familiar with that, they're sourbears at all. But the guard's pretty big, even among the craft community. So we'll definitely have to get a few bottles up here. don't distribute in Washington well much they do have a little bit there's a few places that have bottles but otherwise I usually just drive down there and pick up someone I'm in the area but I'll say the next time I'm down there I'm gonna be down on the coast next weekend if I get a chance to stop by I'll pick up a bottle for you but they make some fantastic sour beers check them out to guard I have a friend visiting he's from here but he lives in Florida he's out for my brothers wedding this weekend and we're planning a Fort Collins trip so I'll grab you a bottle as well. - Oh, excellent. I like that. - I love it. - That sounds great. - All right, I'm gonna move this along. We're gonna skip a last-to-flegg ship lounge for next episode. - Yeah, that sounds good. It is open and it's fucking amazing. I was there last week. I'll be there on Friday, 15,000, eight hour and square foot lounge. I'll tell you more about it later. But it's fantastic. - I'm gonna be in Delta lounge tomorrow. We got a lot of stuff to talk about, but we're gonna move along. - Yeah. (upbeat music) - I cracked this Georgetown over here. yeah there you go get that fates book it's gonna pay five billion dollars yeah this is a this is hot off the press this came out last night uh... late last night in the earliest morning uh... this is this goes back to the camera genital edica twenty sixteen scandal right with all the data around the uh... twenty sixteen presidential elections and fates book is uh... getting slapped pretty hard on the wrist i mean previously google had the record and that was a twenty two million dollar fine back in 2012, so. 22 million and we're talking five billion. It's gonna change a lot. It's gonna change a lot of the way that Facebook operates. They can't just give lip service anymore to protecting users privacy. They're gonna have to make some pretty sweeping changes across the board, so it's a big deal. So I don't know a ton about this violation. I remember here in Cambridge Analytica back in the day, but I'll be honest, it's kind of went, you know, it's coming gone for me. Like, can you recap me on the, what the situation was here? Well, I don't remember the specifics as far as the access of the data. I don't know if it was something that Facebook gave them wholesale or if you're an API key to our service that you can just grab all this data. But essentially, they scooped up as many as 87 million user profiles. And then they used that to target people with, this was part of the fake news movement that came out around the election time in the Russian influence in the election. like came from the data mining that this company did to figure out who to target, right, with ads and news and that sort of thing. And yeah, essentially, like, you know, there was a lot of, like I said, lip service done to saying we're gonna protect users data, but then at the same time, like it was heavily accessible and people were influenced by the advertisements that went out as a result of their work and their research. And so now they're bringing in like an independent committee at the board of directors level to oversee security and privacy. They're getting hit with a huge fine. And they're putting in a lot of more tighter controls to say, look, you can't use certain parts of user data. For example, if you're using a phone number for two-factor authentication, you cannot use that number for marketing purposes and so forth. So some sweeping changes coming just to really lock down users. And I think the other part of it too is like Europe has their version of privacy with GDPR, right? Where really, like, if I want, I have total control over my data, I can go to you and say, look, I want it removed. I want it wiped out. And so this is the beginning of that for the US. And I think you're going to see a lot more controls for the user to be able to have their data manage the way they want it to be managed and make sure they know, for example, like face recognition. They'll know what that's being used for. or if you're using certain features of Facebook, they have to let you know that what they're going to do with your input, with your consent. - This is pretty interesting. So Facebook made 22 billion last year, right? - Yes. - This is what the article is claiming. So this is a fine of five billion. - Yeah. - So we're talking, what are we talking there? - I don't know, like 5% of the annual revenue. - Yeah. So kind of a slap on the wrist. huge huge number yet is a big number i think they they anticipated this it sounded like that there was some previous discussions about it and they they anticipated paying up to five billion dollars but uh... yeah it's um... regardless of that i mean five percent of anyways revenue still a hit it still a kick in the pants and i think the more important thing is that it's forcing them to make some pretty sweeping changes to the platform Well, I think Facebook has become kind of like, you know, went from like the darling thing to like being my kind of enemy of the people. And a lot of people has a result of the Cambridge Analytica scandal back in the day. Remove themselves from Facebook or try to use it less. Curious is still like, Zach, are you, are you still a Facebook user? Do you, did this discourage you in any way whatsoever? It did. And quite honestly, the only reason I still have a Facebook is, I run my business page through it. If it weren't for that, I wouldn't have it. And it didn't have it on my phone for the longest time. It actually downloaded it last week, so I could listen to the podcast and then end it up just listening to it on my laptop, because it sounded better. So I tried to stay off it quite a bit. If friends and family really need to get a hold of me, they can. I know that's a lot of people's excuses for why they keep it, but quite frankly, the people that are closest to me have my phone number and if they really need to get a hold of me, they can. I would say for me that's the same scenario. I grew up in the Midwest and so all my family is back there and number one, this podcast and Facebook are a way for me to connect back with them. So I have a FV hesitation to remove that connection. That's an easy way for me to share what's happening in my life, for them to share what's happening in their life, and it's an easy way to engage. So-- - Both ways though. I say this, like I've gone offline for a couple of years, probably most. And then I get back on just to see what's going on. And so I struggle with that too. I know that they've made some progress separating out the applications in the last year or so, I think. So now you don't have to have Facebook proper installed. I don't think it matters, by the way. From a privacy point of view, if you have any one of their apps, like fucking Instagram, it's probably enough. Like if you have Instagram, it doesn't matter if you have Facebook installed. - That's fair, yeah. - Because they have the same tracking enabled. So you really have to be all or nothing if you're going to try to have an attempt at privacy there, I would think. - I don't know. - Have you experienced where you'll say something out loud or you're talking to someone and then the next thing you know, there's an ad for what you were talking about. Yes, absolutely. So that's a fascinating story and I listened to another, you know, one of the biggest podcasts out there has probably repiled. I think I brought it up on the show before. It's by Gimlet Media, who was acquired by Spotify. And one of their episodes was specifically about this exact scenario and how it is that that they track your data, not necessarily through what people view as like listening to their every move. But it's other things that they can kind of determine by situations that you're in and geolocations that you're using and various other mechanisms, you know, like let's say for instance, trying to think of a good example. Let's say you're in a foreign city, that's not your home city, like let's say you're Seattle and you Google, "Oh, I need to, let's say for instance, I need to Google a pair of pants. I need a new pair of pants." Right? And so it's going to subscribe to you or it's going to give you advertisements for like Northstrom here in Seattle, which wouldn't be a normal advertisement for you in Denver probably. Nope. But it's going to know that because like, "Oh, you're visiting, let's say for instance, you have a family member here in Seattle. It's going to connect to the fact that your geolocation is in Seattle. Oh, you have a relationship in Seattle. And maybe that person Googled that you needed pants. And so it's going to make that association and then give you those advertisements. Like there's really, really deep connections like that that are really something that you wouldn't expect to see be connected, but they get connected and it works pretty well. And it was a really fascinating episode. I'll see if I can link it in the show notes here, but it was really eye opening because they talked about this and pretty deep depth. Yeah. Yeah, I would say that as much as I'm not active on Facebook that I'm still subscribed to everything, I still have messenger, I still -- and I think there's a new events app that's separate from Facebook. So if you just want to get events from people, you can do that. But again, I don't know that really gives you a benefit. I think you're still connected to the Holy Go system. How do you agree with that? story when I when I first moved to Seattle. Facebook events was like how you did everything. Like I know there's a meetup and several other apps that you can manage like events like that but Facebook is how you kind of managed your social life in a way and so if you were not a part of that then you were excluded and they've done a they've done a great job now where like I think you can add email addresses and things like that for people that are not on Facebook But at the time, that was something that was a requirement. If you wanted to be included in that event, you had to be on the platform. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Well, yeah, I don't know what to say about it. I'm not ready to give it all up. I do like Insta a lot. - Yeah, you post a lot to Insta. - More than I do on a Facebook or anything else now. I do anything on Facebook, it's a cross post. But I take a lot of photos and put them up there and I have a decent social network on Instagram. - I think there's Xpoint though, that's an interesting concept. We kind of use Facebook as a crutch because a lot of people are there. We can share it to our social networks and it's very, very easy and quick. And it gets a lot of appeal. Like a lot of connections very, very quickly and easily was YouTube. Excuse me, which is where we originally were starting to post. There wasn't nearly as much of a connection. No. No, that is interesting. I mean, that's why we're on the platform. It was a surprising number of people. But I think to just their mechanism of like when you're on live and I just have to interrupt really quick, we had a brief outage there for about five seconds. I think it picked back up. I had to reset this over here. So a little internet snafu. Maybe it's Facebook, you know, interjecting over here. Big brooding and ad in the middle. Yeah. But anyway, yeah. I lost my train. I thought what were we just talking about? Facebook Instagram. Instagram. Yeah, putting the show on Facebook. Yeah, like that we did it on YouTube for a few episodes and really didn't get any traction at all and we put it on Facebook then immediately we had a higher volume of people checking us out. Yeah, people interacting. Like last week was fantastic. Tons of people reaching out, giving us kind of real-time feedback. It was a lot of fun. It was. It was good. We're not ruling out those other mechanisms. We've talked about doing an RT, what, like a multi-cast to go out to YouTube and smell other things, possibly. - Yeah, we could put it on Twitch, we could put it on Facebook, we could put it on YouTube. There's a tool that we can use to broadcast. He's going with some more shabang here. - I mean, dude, like you paid $12 this bag of chips, someone's gotta get him. - Yeah, I'm not gonna eat him, so go ahead. But yeah, it's a multi-cast platform. So from our sling video feed here, we could broadcast them to multi-platforms, which I think would be pretty valuable in itself, but there's an associated cost with that as well. Currently, Facebook seems to be the best platform we can publish to you. So we'll continue to do that until we get some more critical mass and then we'll move on. But it's interesting. Yeah, speaking of moving on, let's do it. Let's move on to Dropbox, who released a new update to their software. Okay. All clients. So Windows, Mac, does it matter, whatever client you use, they updated it. You may have noticed if you are a Dropbox user suddenly you got a prompt of a window that came up and said, "Hey, this is your new Dropbox screen. This is how you're going to work. This is in an updated Dropbox client." And for me, that was a little bit creepy. I was kind of like, why are you number one auto updating without my authority? And number two, why are you informing me of this? I don't really care. And nor do I want to know. Yeah. Right? So personally, I've been kind of removing Dropbox as a result of this. Like to me, that's an extension, an overextension of their power. run their application as kind of a root level process in terms of like a Mac. So they're the super user, if you will, like they can do anything. Right? And so they're updating themselves and running their executing code basically as a root user, which is extremely dangerous. Like you're giving them power to do anything they want to your machine. >> Yeah, they have admin rights on your machine to execute whatever policies they want to in force. Exactly. So henceforth, like the pop-up that you were seeing or that many people saw of the update for Dropbox. And so personally, I was kind of offended by that. And I don't want that kind of invasion of my users or of my privacy. And I don't use Dropbox that often anyway. We use Google Drive for our show. And I use Amazon Drive for my own personal little photo work and other things. And so I was like, well, I don't really need Dropbox anymore. Anyway, so I went ahead and removed it from the MacBook that I used here, from my work laptop, from my Synology, which we've talked about a number of times here. That's your Plex server also. Exactly, right? And so I still have my account. I didn't delete the account entirely, but I deleted their client from my machine. So curious to know, do you still use Dropbox? Where do you stand with that? - I'm a Google guy, man. I'm a Google guy pretty through and through. So for me, it's like Google Drive. I have a Dropbox, but I really don't use it much anymore. And I'm not a paying customer, so I think I might have an account there, but I went on recently and pulled off the stuff that was over there, so I really don't. - And what about you Zach? Are you a Dropbox user? - I have a Dropbox account. have some files that are in Dropbox. I didn't know about this update until I saw the show notes. I also use Google Drive, so I will be moving all my stuff and removing the client as well. That's interesting. So did you see the actual update as well? Did you get the dialogue that everybody keeps seeing here where it pops up and kind of informs you that something has changed on its own? No, I didn't. While you're talking about it, I pulled it up on my phone and I didn't see it pop up. I noticed that UI changed a little bit, but no mysterious pop up. - And are you on Windows or a Mac? - I did on my phone, but I'll try it on the Mac. - Yeah, I think on Mac specifically is where I've heard the most volume of complaints and I definitely got it on my Mac as well as my Windows work laptop. So I'd be curious to know if you end up with the same type of thing. Yeah, I'll try it out after the show and let you know. Interesting. Yeah. Welcome, Gomer. We talked about you earlier in the show. So hopefully you were the hell's he? I don't see him anywhere. Oh, well, he's on the Kafka cast live here on the live stream. Oh, really? You probably don't see him because you're not friends with him, buddy. Well, we got to fix that. Gomer, send me a friend request, dude. Let's make that happen. All right. I want to, I think a quick suggestion. We could talk about this next item, but I want to talk to Zach a little bit. He's been kind of hanging out and patiently listening to our bullshit about Facebook and everything else. And I just wanted to kind of talk to him a little bit. All right, well, I'll give you one quick thing before we move on. Okay. Go and Repile on Slack gives us the plus one for Google Drive. Plus one for Google Drive. Yep. That's good. Well, I do like Google Drive. That's what the show notes are all published on Google Drive, by the way. That's right. as well as some of our all of our assets our assets our sound bites our logos Yep, urna is creative artwork. That's right Who does the beautiful coffee and codecast background logo for us and the die cut Seattle stickers. Yep. So yeah, I want to sticker. Oh, we can uh, yeah, we can make that happen man We will get just we'll get some stickers out the Denver and uh a little stack actually for the Denver crew Maybe we can I think Brad's coming out. We'll descend him on the stack. How about that? Yeah, we'll make sure Brad brings some stickers out. And then we should really are due for a short order. I know Simon is getting tired of hearing about this. Simon's been listening to us and sent us coffee a long time ago and oh, here we go. I got a confirmation there. All right, I think we're all good to go. Wyatt. Hey, Wyatt. All right. All right. What are we talking about Zach here? Well, I just wanted to chat a little bit more about Zach and what he's up to. and I know that a little bit about them already, like you do some mobile development on the side, and like you're really interested in doing some more front end work, and you said, you know, view, and that sort of thing. But I thought it was interesting, just for example, that you, I'm a computer science, I have a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science from Craten. And you have an interesting degree, computer science kind of tied with business as well, is that right? That is correct. So I was just curious maybe you could speak to that versus like a typical computer science degree like why you chose that path and I don't know making some assumptions here, but you seem somewhat entrepreneurial and so like what are some of your aspirations long term like do you see yourself going into business Down the road one day or what kind of things are you? Really interested in in doing with computer science. Yeah, absolutely. So I'll just give you a little backstory when I went off to college I actually went for nursing. No shit. Yeah, and after a semester of biology and chemistry. I was like, "No, fuck this, not for me." And I ended up going to a class where you had to take a quiz and they had, they'd set you in a room and there were all these plastic body parts and you had to name the body part and the function. And you had two hours to study for it. That was your class. You just study what is this body part, what does it do? Yup, and it did not stick whatsoever. I think like my best score was like a two out of five. And so very quickly I realized that this is not for me. So I went back to my dorm, pulled up UNC's website. I'm like I don't want to go through the hassle of having to transfer and I pulled up their listed degrees and I saw computer science and software engineering. I thought, oh, software engineering, that sounds cool. I'll try it out. So sure enough I I applied for the program and got accepted and started courses the following semester. The software engineering program at UNC was brand new. I was the first class to graduate from it. Very cool. Yeah. So had I known what their program was going to really entail and knowing what I know now and kind of doing like a retro on it, I probably would have gone to CSU or even Metro So, good then, I've talked to a couple of people I've graduated with and there's actually one girl I went to school with and I ran into her on the bus after work and we were talking about where we had gone and what we had learned and what we were working on in our careers. And I asked her, I was like, "Did you have to teach yourself JavaScript?" And she's like, "Yes, we're using Angular." We went on about how we had wished that UNC just taught us basic JavaScript to get us through their program split Java and C# and they just kind of dipped into it a little bit. And then in terms of like a front end framework, they did JQuery, which is obviously obsolete. >> Just so funny, man, because that was like the big dog. I remember Kyle and I, you know, I don't know if you know the story. What do you do if you listen to us? But basically him and I, our first job out of college was at one of our first jobs was working together in 2005 at Nebraska Med Center. And like JQuery was just like the big dog, you know? Like that was the cool thing to do. But you're right, like so much has changed over the last few years. - Yeah, absolutely. And like it's a personal goal of mine to just constantly be learning, especially with how fast our industry moves things change every day. So that's kind of basically my background into why I chose software engineering and then they made you choose a minor with it and I thought business administration was the most applicable. I just think it's a cool combination because you know I've been I don't consider myself an entrepreneur Actually, I don't think that's my strength, but I've owned small businesses in the past, like several small businesses. And I've always liked working in that kind of startup culture. And I've liked being able to create that way. And so when I saw that you had both of those things, I thought, well, that's really interesting. Maybe that was intentional that way to perhaps get into that at some point. Yeah. You know, it's like one of those things where like the list of minors that you could go with software engineering it You know you and see being a big teaching school a big theater school a big Nursing school there wasn't really a whole lot to pair with it that I thought would really help me in the long run. Yeah Well, here's a bit of consolation or not. I don't know if it helps you at all But I mean, for similar reasons, I mean, I was into computers at a young age. So I guess we're a little different in that regard. But for me, the main motivation was just wanting to get some distance from home. I was living in Denver at the time with the school, high school in Denver. And I really just wanted to get some distance from home and kind of have my own autonomy and do my own thing. And so, Creighton, I was a cross-country runner and Creighton, you know, offered me a scholarship to go out and run cross-country. And so they happen to have a computer science program, but it wasn't afterthought. I mean, I wanted to study computers, but my main motivation was like, I just want to get college paid for, and I want to get the fuck out of Dodge and do my own thing. And so, you know, I went to like one of the top medical schools, dental schools, nursing schools in the country to learn computer science. And I can relate with you when you talk about some of the challenges because we certainly didn't have the most innovative curriculum and we were not like state of the art. We learned on C++ and as far as there were opportunities in some of the classes that we were teaching the professor, I felt like how some of the operating systems stuff worked. You know what I mean? It wasn't bleeding edge stuff, but it was a foot in the door. And so I guess all I'm trying to say is that like it got you there. And I mean, what you do with it is up to you. But I mean, I certainly could have made better choices than if I really wanted to be, have a stronger expertise. I could have probably chose a better place. But you know what? I don't regret it. And it's led to a really good career and have had plenty of opportunities. So I don't know. It's an interesting situation. Oh, I totally agree with you. And I was fortunate enough for my first software engineering job worked for a health care company. So I still got the interest of working in the healthcare, even though it wasn't a nursing egg to apply technology to it. - Which is really cool to be able to blend that in. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, that's great, man. So are you a Colorado native then? Were you always from the area or? - Yes, I have lived here my entire life. I have definitely had the itch to move. The problem is I don't know where. Yeah. Well, now that you're part of a bigger company, you've got a few options, I guess, if you like it here. Absolutely. I was actually talking to my buddy. He picks me up from work, lending him my car this week. And we had to kind of haul ass from the Denver office up towards, like, Bromfield, Louisville area to pick up my tux from my brother's wedding. And he used to live here and he says, and he's like, man, I hate driving here now. It's gone so packed. And it's like, yeah, it's got a California vibe, but you know, you still got the mountains and awesome breweries and Denver's just a great place to be. So for me to try and figure out where I want to go, it's kind of hard because Denver is my home. And I want to move somewhere like it, but is there another place like Denver? I don't know. Yeah. Well, you're not going to escape any of those dilemmas, certainly on the west coast. I mean, fuck dude. Like traffic's going to get worse here. Uh, your rent's going to go up here. I lived in San Francisco for about six months and I absolutely love San Francisco. And it's a beautiful city. And I really, uh, anytime I get to go back, I was back a few weeks ago and I just love, love, love to visit. But, um, it's even worse there, you know, can I? Can I do a shout out to my brother he just joined? - Yeah, of course. - Hey Cody, congratulations, I'm super happy for you and Chelsea and this weekend's gonna be awesome and wish the best to both of you. - Awesome man, I love it. So where's the wedding at? - It's actually in Littleton. - No way man, are you serious? - Yeah. - Oh gosh. - Add a chapel off of like C470 and Bulls right up against the hills. - Holy shit man, that's crazy. Okay. - Welcome Cody. - Yeah, welcome. and congratulations. - Yeah. - And what's, and Cody, what, what Cody's fiance's name, let's get her out and just use her as well. - Her name is Chelsea. - And Chelsea, and Chelsea awesome. Congratulations guys. - Yeah. - That's, that's really cool. Gosh man, like C470 and Bulls, that's like, that's my stomping ground man. Well, we were talking before the cast because I know that Zach, you know, Zach went to Thunder Ridge. I went to Columbine, so I mean, that's like my backyard man. like I was back there, you know, I was there from 95 to 2000. So, very familiar. And it's kind of sad for me now because mom recently moved, you know, she moved away. So my connections to Denver are kind of like dwindling a little bit. I've got the Denver office and then Tom Nash, you know, who's our kind of our, what director of PMs, what's his official? - He, I think he is a director, or is he a VP? - VP. - I think he's a director. But we want to get him on the show as well. - We're gonna get him on the show as well, but I'll, you know, he offered to lend me a crash pad there too. So I still have a little bit of a connection there. His family, they have a few kids who go to Chafffield over there. So got a lot of connections back in Little Timman. It's a good place. And awesome, man, congratulations. We're excited to have you on and wish your brother a well, man. That's really cool. - Thank you, appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. - Yeah. Well, let's talk one more thing here because you know, we haven't had any Tesla news in your while. - Yeah, I know you really. - Electric vehicle news, EVs. - I know, this is their call. - Yeah, of course. - Yeah. - What is this? What is this attitude? - I got nothing to say. (laughing) - Welcome back by the way, man. I saw you slide out for a few minutes. Are you feeling better? - I feel a lot better. - Excellent. - 100% better, buddy. - Good for you, man. - Yeah, okay. - Take it away. What are we talking about here? We got five minutes and 30 seconds left. So make the most of it, buddy. I wanted to talk about zero cycles because you know, I'm a Tesla fan. I'm an EV fan. We looked at the What the hell is this Chevy Chevy Volt way back in the day the Volt in the Bolt really liked the Volt But it was a little bit you know didn't work for us, but love the Tesla and and now Now our friend Zach here has the zero motor cycles and I want to hear more about this Yeah, so this is an interesting concept to me I did some research on it and this is the zero motorcycle SRF model is the first fully smart motorcycle 100% electric with a top speed of 124 miles per hour. which that's where it impressed me because I have a Honda CB 1100 and its top speed is about 120 so it beats it by 4 miles per hour. It has a 100 and the electric motorcycle has 140 feet per pound torque. So very fast bike. It has a charge time of 80 minutes with a 200 mile range. The unfortunate thing about it is it does not have a clutch. And that is like most of the fun with riding a motorcycle is being able to shift. Let's say you're driving down a curvy mountain road in your end fifth gear and that curve's coming up. You use the transmission to downshift and take the curve that way you don't haul into the guardrail. Mississippi State Police was the latest police force to adopt it. They did the DSRP model and the reasoning behind it was silent and efficient patrols. And the MSRP for these bad boys are or $18,995. - It's a very cool product. So I went to the website and I checked it out. And it looks like, so they have two models, right? This is the base model. They have one that's a little bit more turbocharged, a little more, I don't know the torque, and maybe just some of the battery life, the range has increased a little bit. There's a few things that are different, and it's a few thousand dollars more, I believe. But my question is really like, What is the optimal use case for this cycle? I mean, given the range, is this more of a commuter? How would you use this kind of bike? - I mean, I guess it depends on the person. Most people that I know that ride like to go more than a 200 mile range. - Right, that's what I'm thinking if you wanna go cruising for the weekend, you might be taking some pit stops, right? - Right, and I mean, I don't know. I'll ride to the Denver office every once in a while just because it's free for the express lanes in parking downtown. You can usually find a free spot for motorcycles. So there's definitely that advantage, regardless, whether it's electric or gas. But yeah, in terms of like a use case, I really see it as just like a commuter and a police department. - Which I think is great though, because I don't have a vehicle in Seattle right now. So I've been carless for probably three and a half years. Maybe, yeah, about three and a half years, four years. And I could see this being something that would be a nice compromise for me. Like if I needed to get cross town, or if I needed to go get some groceries or something, I don't know how much, I don't know. Can you bring groceries in that? I'd have to get a bag or something. - Well, you'd have to have a backpack or something, probably, or like put it in your, I don't know what to call them on motorcycles, but there's gotta be a case. - Settle bags. - There you go. get a saddle bag. But you know I could see using this just to get cross town because I do rely a lot on car to go or Uber and that sort of thing. This would kind of fill a niche there where I didn't have to rely on a third party but I also didn't have to pay in my case like 300 bucks a month to park a car in the garage. That would be kind of cool. It's kind of interesting. So you said 140 foot pounds of torque, peak torque for the performance premium model, sorry. Whereas the Model 3 has 307. So more than double. Really? Right. And it's only a few thousand dollars more. Yeah. Only a few. Well, if you're only going to spend 18, you might as well spend 3 times as much. No, the price is not. No, the price is $18,000. Well, this model is $18,000, but the other one was like $21. Well, two times. What are you talking about? For a Model 3? Oh, you're comparing to a Model 3. I'm talking about the two versions of this cycle. No, for a Model 3. I thought you were talking about the Motorcycle 2. I don't know. For a Tesla Model 3, it's more than twice the torque, but granite in a heavier package, right? So I was just kind of curious, comparing EV to EV. Gotcha. I see what you're saying. You were trying to bring Tesla into the conversation I just understood. That's what I do here. I should know better right now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of hard. I mean, it's hard to make that kind of a comparison. They're quite different. I mean, I haven't had Tesla news in three weeks. I need-- I know. You're hungry. I understand. There was-- I'll give you a little bit of Elon Musk news, by the way. There was an attempt to have a SpaceX launch occur this afternoon. It was postponed because the weather conditions were poor. But tomorrow, if anybody's around, there is another attempt, a second attempt, to get this. This is-- I always like a CRS-18 mission, I believe, is what it's called. It's a resupply mission. they're using, it's not the Falcon Heavy, it's just the nine. - Reciple I for, it's a resupply - International Space Station. - Yeah, maybe, I don't even know what the fuck it's doing. All I know is that they were, yeah, I think it was some kind of new automatic docking thing to the ISS, bringing some new supplies. - There you go. Maybe there's some in some shebang. - Maybe there bring some shebang chips up there for, you kinda feel like you're in prison up in the ISS everyone's in the world. to have your Shabang man and make a meal up there. Everybody's got to have their snacks. Yeah exactly. Zach do you have any closing thoughts or words for us man? So good to have you on today. Thank you for having me definitely look forward to meeting you guys in person. Awesome dude. Well thanks a lot for coming on. As always our artwork is provided by Yerne the the Gentle Giant. You can check out more of his awesome work at www.coffeecodecast.com/gental giant. Check us out on Facebook, Twitter, or email us at www.coffeecodecast@gmail.com. The podcast is available from iTunes, Spotify, Tune-In, Stitcher, Google Play Music, Radio Public, or wherever it is you get your podcasts and you can find all this and more at our website at www.coffeecodecast.com. If you like the show, jump on over to coffeecodecast.com/review and leave us a helpful tip or not so helpful feedback. Whatever it is, we like it anyway. And I don't know. Congratulations, Zach, to your brother and his fiance. They're on the upcoming wedding. And maybe we can get a photo on the old cast afterwards too. How about that? Yeah, I'll send you guys one this weekend. All right, that sounds good. Have a great time, man. We'll see you soon. And as always, thanks all of you guys for listening. We'll see you next week. Thank you. [Music]