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43: Befriending the Capital One Hacker

Kyle tell’s a story about a hacker he met at a devops meetup group in Seattle.
43: Befriending the Capital One Hacker
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43: Befriending the Capital One Hacker

This week we are back with some more travel and lounge reviews. Tesla news has made a return after a long hiatus and we have several cool new goodies coming from the company. Kyle tell’s a story about a hacker he met at a devops meetup group here in Seattle as well as the hacking of Capital One that was announced this week. We also discuss a little bit about a competitive project to Space X’s Starlink called project Kuiper.

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[Music] Welcome everybody, we're back again with episode 43 of the Coffee & Codecast, a tech podcast where we talk about neither coffee or code. I'm Kyle Johnson. Hey everybody I'm Mike Sheehan here and today on the show we've got a lot of updates for you. Ooh we're gonna talk about some lounge travel on the Delta lounge and a laska lounge that's cool. And we got some, oh he's got some Tesla news back again. Right on front and top, front and center here man nice job. We gotta get right through it. Okay very cool. Oh we've got some good news here. We're gonna get back to some things we didn't cover last week including like that new satellite internet competition for SpaceX. And our topic for today is going to be, as many times, topical in the office and we're dealing with some staff changes. So we're gonna talk about that a little bit in the impact of losing a leader in the organization. Yeah. Well, welcome back to the show, buddy. Good to see you, man. It feels like it's been a long time, but I guess it's only been a week. We were here last week, weren't we? There's been a lot of travel happening in the meantime. Yeah, - Yeah, there certainly has. You've been gone, you were on a little bachelor weekend, not for yourself of course, but. - Yeah, exactly, I was in Nashville. - Yeah, first time there. - How do you like Nashville, by the way? Do I need to go? - Yeah, you definitely need a myelotron there. - Good place for a single dude like myself. - Yeah, there's a lot of bachelor parties. - A lot of eligible bachelor's. - Well, they're shortly, they're only eligible for a few more days. - They're friends though. - They're friends. - Right, yeah, there you go. - They're very good, okay. - That's excellent, man. - Yeah, no, it's a good time. Cool city, the Broadway is amazing. That's kind of like the area where all like the bar district is. - Really? - Okay. - Tons of music, that's where the music venues are. Music is incredible. Even at nine o'clock in the morning, you're eating breakfast and there was like a soul band - Really? - And they were fantastic. - Wow. - So it's 24/7, it's like music city. - Exactly, and I would have been happy. Like, you know, I wouldn't have to get shitty or anything like that. I would be happy just sitting there listening to music, and drinking a drink or two. Yeah, that would be fun all by itself, let alone the whole club scene. - Well, our good friend, Dave Lester, he lived in Nashville for a while and he's talked it up quite a bit and I just haven't had a chance to go but I'd like to go down there at some point and check out some of the spots. - I could see you and him getting into some trouble. - We certainly could, man. (laughing) We did in Honolulu and we do pretty much everywhere we go. - Yeah, well I have on here to talk about the Nashville Delta lounge. 'Cause that's what we do. - Well, Lounge is here, travel, mileage runs. I mean, I just flew down to Portland for a mileage run. - Yeah. - And, you know, I could have driven quicker, probably, but why do you that when you could earn a couple of miles and hang out in the lounge? - Yeah. Well, Nashville, Dental Lounge, Delta Lounge, I'll just say no bueno. - Really? - No bueno. - So, I mean, Nashville's not a, obviously not a hub for Delta, so I'm not totally surprised by that, but I assume they still had some local curated foods, like what happened, tell me about it. - No, not really. It was pretty small number one. - It's disappointing. - Very small compared to most of them that I've been in. - Yeah. - I did not utilize the bar because it was really early. Like I was there at like 4.30 in the morning. - Oh, they don't start serving 'til six. I found out the hard way. (laughs) - They did have some breakfast selection there, not much, but typical fair oatmeal and some eggs. - Didn't have any. - You know, pretty basic. - They do a good job with some hot food though. They have eggs. They had probably some sausage and bacon, I would hope. - Right. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Better than Alaska. - Biscuits and gravy. - Biscuits and gravy. - See, there you go. And that's why I'm always on the fence right now with Alaska versus Delta for that reason, because Alaska has their infamous pancake machine, which is fine, if you like pancakes. - I would have been all about pancakes after that trip. - It's good, man. It's good. I don't mind it. I wish they had biscuits and gravy or something like that. Like that would be a low cost meal to have in addition, right, to the other things. And Delta does a nice job of having a good selection of hot foods in addition, as well as the regular stuff. - Yeah, Alaska's a little lean that way. I wish they could step it up a bit. - So yeah, I was in Nashville for about three days. - Yeah. - It was a good time. I would highly recommend it. - Saw some interesting photos. - First class there and back, which was amazing. - Which is nice because that's a longer trip, four and a half, five hours, maybe even longer than that. - No, I don't think I wanna say it was right at four. - Okay, yeah. - It was Seattle, the Nashville four hours, okay. It was quicker than I thought. I thought it was longer than that. Okay, regardless. That's still a long time in a seat, especially domestic. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's good. And were you flying red eye or earlier like normal? The flight there was, I don't know, afternoon, four or five o'clock and return flight was at, like I said, maybe five something a.m. So you got dinner on the way out and maybe some breakfast on the way back? Yep, I'd actually forgotten about breakfast that I was gonna be served that. So I'd eaten in the lounge, biscuits and gravy, like I said, and then they brought out my tray of food and I was like, oh my God, I'm so full. I can't. - Double dip in. - Yeah. Oh man, that's fun. Yeah, that's fun. Okay. So where were you at? - Yeah, I was down to Portland. Well, I was in Portland myself for a day. On Friday I went down and it was a family trip. Really fun to get family together. We don't get together as a group all that often. I've got two brothers and their spouses and a niece and a nephew and my mom. And so like the whole group of us came out. There was a contingency from Omaha that flew out here to Portland and then my brother in Seattle here drove down with his family. And I opted to fly down to Portland Friday afternoon, Friday evening just because I wanted to have a night down there and then a little bit of time. Originally, I was just going to be there in the evening and we were going to all meet up early in the morning. They flew in early Saturday, but they had some flight issues. Kind of interesting. Alaska canceled the flight out of Omaha because of mechanical issues. They didn't really say what it was, but so they knew the night before the flight was canceled. There was a 6 a.m. flight, right? They're going to be out here by 8 a.m. And so I was, he called my brother called me and we got on the phone with Alaska customer service, tried to work it out and they said, look, we got to adult the flight for you guys that leaves an hour later. And I'll get you there an hour later. It's not a big deal. An hour and a half later, I think it connected through Salt Lake or something like that. And so, hey, great. Let's reschedule everybody. There was four people on the atinerary and somehow I got screwed up. They got there in the morning and they only had two people on the itinerary so they missed that flight took an hour to figure it out at the airport. Long story short, they didn't show up until 3 30 the afternoon. And so they wasted a day and then they ended up extending it into Tuesday, you know. So, um, yeah, I had an afternoon just to putts around Portland, which was really kind of fun. I had a good time doing that because I don't spend much time in Portland as close as it is. And so this time I stayed in the hotel downtown and went out Friday night, hit up a few spots. Blue line, been to blue line donuts. - That sounds familiar, but I'm not. - No blue star, blue star. - Yes, I have been to that. - Yeah. - So Voodoo is kind of the infamous donut shop. - Right. - And they have crazy like fruity pebbles, donuts and shit like that. - Captain Crunch. - Yeah, so Ali told me about blue star. And she goes, man, they're really cool. And they're a little step up, check them out. And I did, it was really nice. - I think that's not far from a place called the waffle window. I didn't see that, but they have multiple locations, so maybe I was just in the wrong way. - Maybe that's the case, yeah. Anyway, it was really fun. I went to the Saturday market and checked out some things there. I got a lot of walk-in. Took some photos, went to the donut place, got some coffee, went to Paul's books, all the things that you have to do when you're in Portland. And then went back to the airport to meet those guys, and then we went on to a story. - Did they get any credits from Alaska for all the... They're working on it. I know that Alaska said they were gonna give them some vouchers or something, but they didn't issue them at the time. They just tried to get them a shuffle onto another plane. And so they're in the process of getting that worked out. Which I hope they do. I hope they get that because again, they lost the day. They would have been in there at like 7.45 in the morning and then we would have been hanging out all day long and instead they were up all night and didn't getting asleep and all that shit. So it was kind of a rough start to the trip. - Well, let's move on to the one, there's something else when you're in dear to your heart here, kind of tied to travel. - Oh boy. - More lounge talk. - Oh boy. - And I came back yesterday, and I had a chance to go back. From my second time to the new Alaska lounge. - So on your return flight, you stopped in it's lounge. - I mean, I had to freshen up a little bit. - Oh, okay. - And I might as well, if I'm gonna freshen up in the lounge, I might as well get a beverage or two. - All right. - I got out of the airport a little longer, that sounds great. - I don't mind because it's so nice, man. Like, it's a 16,000 square foot flag ship Alaska lounge. I don't know all the details. I don't know who was behind the architecture, but the design is just fantastic. So you know they're redoing the North satellite terminal, the end gates over there. And so right now, half of it is brand new. It just opened up and the other half is still old and crummy and like the low ceilings and stuff, but the Alaska lounge is on the Mezzanine level. So it's on the second level above the newly renovated end gates in the North satellite terminal. And it's a massive lounge and Florida ceiling windows, They've partitioned it off and do a few different areas. So it's really spacious, lots of seating, big tables, comfy chairs. And they've expanded their food menu a bit. It's still not up to par with Delta's lounge. However, they do have like a trail mix bar and then a salad bar, some soups. 12 taps, 12 beer taps, and then Fremont partnered with them to do a special IPA for their lounge. - Their own beer, that's impressive. So yeah, I went in, you know, I went, you checked out the facilities, I wanted to change a little bit, and so the restrooms are very nice. I don't think they have showers in that one, at least I didn't see any, maybe they were further down the hall, but I don't believe they, I don't know if they do or not. That would have been nice if they had that. I don't need that. - Have you seen that in any lounge? I don't think the Delta lounge has, do they have that? - I thought Delta did, and I wanna say that Phoenix does, but I'm not 100% on that. - Sky Harbor. - That's a beautiful lounge too. If you're in Phoenix, I would recommend the Delta lounge, and that's in Terminal Two. Terminal Two was newly renovated over there, 'cause Sky Harbor, the other terminals kinda look like dog shit. - Yep. They're dark, they're dingy. Yeah, the Delta One rain was on here. It just goes, the Delta One's pretty nice too. I do like the Delta One in the main concourse. That's around the A gates. That's huge. I mean, that's a really nice, spacious one. - That's the one that we spent a lot of time in, yep. I really enjoy that one. I mean, that was my favorite lounge until the Alaska lounge opened up. I would say that the Alaska has the edge on the aesthetics. Now, I'm over Delta and it's more spacious, but I think you get better full service from the Delta lounge just with all the food selections. And they have the curated Tom Douglas menu and the mac and cheese and all of that shit. So it's a little nicer food selection. There's a little bit of an interesting issue when we were hanging out in the lounge. A lot of the drinks were paid for, which I hadn't seen before in a Delta lounge. Usually you can pretty much get anything that they have for free. Oh, you're saying you had to pay for certain cocktails? Certain spirits, yeah. They had like a list of like freebies, but then if you wanted like, you know, a specific type of tequila or vodka or whatever, they would charge you for that. I'm pretty sure that wells are covered, but then if you wanted a gray goose or something like that, you might have to pay. I don't know exactly. Well, that's, that's horseshit. He's saying they're charging for Stella, which is really surprising to me. I think you could get Miller. Really? Something pretty basic, yeah. See, as far as I knew, like, all beers were no charge. I've even been in, no, I've been in the delts allounge and had a Stella before, maybe, no, maybe not. Maybe they just didn't like our group. We had a lot of people there. Too many people. Now, the interesting thing I'll say is that there are, now for the record, there is no charge for the beers in Alaska. In Alaska, yeah. So you get all that. And there are wells, like their vodka was Gibson's. It was some shit, but it was fine. It's free. I don't know how much the goose was. I didn't ask for that. It was interesting. They don't take tips because I was going to tip on I pounded a couple cocktails rapid fire and I was going to give her a tip but they don't take them so Yeah, so I'll ask a similar thing as as Delta so whereas Alaska partners with Fremont to do an IPA Delta rain was saying that has the accustomed pike bear that they branded for Pike place, Pike place brewing. Yeah, yeah place down here in the in the market. So But I'm surprised that they charge for beer. I can't believe if you're a Delta member you're paying a premium for this You know, I mean you can get in for free if you have a Delta reserve card But you're paying a $450 annual fee for that privilege So you are paying some money to be in a member of the lounge At that level it surprises me to be paying for beer. It didn't even matter like regardless of like what level of Card or anything that you had it was that was across the board because like some people had to pay to get in some people had their cards, some people had the reserve cards, some people had the gold card, it didn't matter. Wow. There's a cross-aborder. I don't know if that's a new policy or I've never had that experience before. Well I was conflicted when I was with the family on the way back. So the Omaha group, they were with me at the airport on yesterday evening and they have an Alaska lounge at PDX in Portland in the ABC gates. So in that part of the airport they do have a lounge. It looked okay. It didn't look like anything fancy. Maybe kind of like the old end gates lounge or maybe like the, I don't know, that's probably the best comparison because the C and D gate lounge for Alaska at C tax pretty nice. They're a little newer. However, we had a four year old, well three and a half year old, and then four adults. So I could have only gotten two adults in and then it would have been what, 25 bucks with my Alaska card per person for two more guest passes. At that point, was it worth 50 bucks to bring them into a mediocre lounge? Probably not. If they had burgers or fries or something like that, then I think it would have been easy because we spent 100 bucks at the Henry's tavern over there at the airport instead. Yeah, you can easily bring up a pretty big bill at an airport bar. Yeah. So if you're hanging around a long time, it's probably really worth the money, but if you're going to just drop in there for 20 minutes then. Yeah, definitely not. Yeah, not at all. And we had about an hour, hour and a half, but my niece wanted some food and they wouldn't I've had anything like that in the, you know, they wanted to eat 'cause they weren't gonna have dinner. They were getting home late. So in that case, it wasn't worth paying for the membership. I think they do have some hot plates you can order for a fee, but then it's not really saving you any money. So yeah, mixed review there. - Yeah. - It's a bummer. - No, boy, no, only two lounges. - Well, I just threw. - Yeah, but the Alaska lounges in the North satellite is a beautiful lounge. Go check it out if you get a chance. It's impressive. And they've done a really nice job with that. I hope to see San Francisco's new lounge next year when that opens up. That should be similar of similar design and style. I think they just did one in JFK recently as well. I'm going to hit that up. Well, I don't know if I'll be able to hit that up this September. I'll be out there, but I'll fly Delta for that. So I might not be able to see that one. Anyway, it's a little stingy to me that you're paying for beer you're having to pay for certain things when the lounge price the cost of the lounge membership itself is around $500 a year and you might get a discount if you have a credit card but if you're in my case I just paid for a full membership so I could bring two guests in and I had a discount with my gold status it was still around 3.95 I think 3.75 I don't remember now no no no free beer what the hell is that all for beer all right well show you got anything else you want to add on this or show me move along to a good part of the show oh the Tesla part someone's getting a little giddy it's like it's like Christmas is coming it's Christmas Eve over here and someone wants to can't go to sleep you know wait for San Diego to arrive here oh hey it's been a while I know it has been about four weeks go ahead hit the button why not what's the good part of the show the good part of the show show is Tesla news oh Oh, I thought we were going to talk about the story that Kelso sent me earlier today. Oh, what did he send you? The Delta story. You want to talk about more Delta news? Yeah, you want to talk about Tesla news. I want to talk about more airplane news. I don't see them in the show notes. We're going to just skip that one. All right, you can talk for us. That's fine. Better be good. What's going on in Tesla land over here? Well, Tesla is going to release Netflix, YouTube, and Cuphead, which is a game, to their infotainment system at the end of August. - That's great. Well, that's all we need now is to have more distracted driving. - Well, you can't be distracted because you can't use any of these functionalities while you're driving. When you're in autopilot, anything, the car has to be in park. The primary use for this is gonna be when you're charging. - Well, that's awesome. - They don't have an airplane capability where you can stream to the screen. - You can use Bluetooth, but there's no airplane. - That would be pretty cool. - That would be a great feature. - Elon, we need an airplane on the Tesla monitors. He should tweet that because he takes a lot of suggestions via tweet. I'm going to do it right now actually. Do it. You talk about this and I'm going to go on to Twitter. Yeah, so basically, I mean, it's just a Netflix app and a YouTube app that, while parked and while charging, if you want to watch a movie for 20 to 40 minutes or however long it is, you're going to be sitting at the supercharger. You can certainly do that. Elon has said that the experience in it is actually really, really incredible because you're You're sitting in a car which already has a pretty immersive sound system, like 360 degree sound. So the experience is apparently pretty impressive from what he is reporting, of course. But the other thing that they've talked about, and I don't know if this is part of the announcement or if they're ready to do this yet, but at the superchargers, they were going to provide free Wi-Fi as well so that you could do your streaming without using their built in LTE connection. I wasn't listening. I was just tweeting that out there to Elon. I just got it out there. Well, good. Tell me what you said there. I'll follow. They're going to also be adding Wi-Fi at their supercharger stations so that during your time at the supercharger, you can just be automatically hooked up to that and use that as their streaming mechanism versus using the built-in cart LTE system. Because I don't think the speed on that is all that great. So very exciting. Something to do-- I think we've talked about this a number of times on the show before that, what do you do? Are you supercharged? There are a number of facilities available, usually Starbucks or restaurant. whatever is around. - Yeah, there's some kind of thing outside of the vehicle. - Right, but they keep expanding on the number of games that are available in the car to play or movies to watch or different things that you can do to pass the time while the car is charging 'cause it's not obviously as fast as like a gas Philip. - That's pretty cool. I like that. I'm looking at the screen here. They've got, yeah, the podcasts. - Yeah, the coffee and code cast. If you want a Tesla, we are on tune in app, which is available in the Tesla, you can pull us right up, click the button, and away we go. - Oh man, I do have some sad news to follow up on, but I'll wait until you're finished with, do you have anything else you want to add to this story here? - No, that's pretty much it. Like I said, available at the end of August, supposedly if he comes through with his dates, which sometimes are a little bit sketchy. But yeah, pretty cool news there. - That's awesome. - Do you want to interject here before the next Tesla news that I have here? - Yeah. - Okay, okay, you want to break it up. I just want to break it up for you a little bit. I want you to relish in your Tesla news as long as possible, sorry to break it up a little bit. No, this is a little sad. I was talking to Lester yesterday and he's all caught up on our episodes now. Do you remember last week that we had texted him? When was that I reached out to him? And I said, "Hey, what are you doing?" And he responded to me and he said, "I'm listening to you." I think you and I were at fuel and I reached out to him. I said, "What are you up to?" And he said, "I am in my car listening to you guys argue who talk about the Amazon strike. Well, he told me yesterday that right after he sent that text message, he were in some kind of getting off, getting on the, he was in an exit off ramp, going like two miles an hour and like, we're in some dude. (laughing) So don't text and drive friends, like even if it is a text coming from the coffee and codecast, please make sure that your car is parked. - Maybe we'll have to put that as like a disclaimer at the end of the podcast now, just from now on, that's like something we'll put on there every time. - Yeah, I felt really bad for him. He's like, don't feel bad, it's okay, it worked out. know it's not a big deal but um apparently the guy was trying to milk him out of some stuff and back issues and all kinds of things. Didn't have insurance probably. Yeah. I don't know the little story but yeah he said don't feel bad but yeah right after I text you that I went into the back of some guy's car. Didn't really do much damage. The guy had a trailer hitch on the back and all it really did was wrinkle Dave's license plate. He's got a new one on order so. What's Dave driving? Is he driving a Tesla? No, he's got a four runner right now. Oh that's too bad. He's He's got a big vehicle there, nice SUV. Does not have a big Tesla display, so he won't be listening to the podcast that way, but I think he just uses his AirPlay. They have a car play on the Toyota. Well, now it's the time. Now is the time. Yeah. Your car's damaged. You need it fixed anyway. Now it's time to sell. Yeah. Get yourself a Tesla. Speaking of that, let me bring you right back around. Let's do it, man. What's going on with Tesla? This is off the grid here because I don't have notes about this, but also the Tesla truck. Supposedly it's supposed to be announced here in the next one or two months. So maybe he switches to the truck instead of the would you say for runner? Forerunner, yeah, SUV. Yeah. Well, that would be a nice option for Dave because you know having a truck would be good I think you like having a little more room for his pup. You know, he has a golden you put it in the bed Retriever there. Well on long haul trips. I don't know if you might forget a cover for it. All right Very good. Well, what else do we have in Tesla news today? The third item of Tesla news here is a new announcement called Tesla MegaPak. What the hell is that? It is a battery pack system, much like they've implemented, I think it was in Puerto Rico, they put these in, like some of these battery packs that they could kind of assist the grid with in a apply solar. This one is mainly a gigantic battery pack system that these cabinets are taller than you. All right, and they're designed to help in peak demand scenarios. So how is this different than what they deployed down in Australia? Those ones I think are just specifically capturing devices for solar. So I think they use their solar arrays, solar panels to capture these into those types of banks. These I think are specifically to handle peak load. Interesting. Okay. It's a little different. Those are the other thing I'm referring to was the Tesla PowerPack. pack. So it's a little bit different. Yeah. For his mega pack. Let's look at that. How about that? Because they had Powerwall. That was for the home. That was where you got a little, you know, personal home device. But then like on the industrial commercial scale, they had Powerpack and now MegaPack. Well, yeah, while the Powerpacks were huge, 129 megawatt hours, 100 megawatts of power. Yeah. This one even says like Tesla and Leisha's a MegaPack and it says that it's to take on natural gas plants. - Really? - Company aims to support energy grid usage during peak hours by storing up to three megawatt hours of clean wind and solar energy supplementing natural gas, peaker plants. - Hey, very cool. Okay. - So they're huge. Like these containers, what to put a link in the show notes, but these containers, like they're, it's what, one, two, three, four, or five, six, probably 10 modules in there? - Yeah. - In this cabinet. And each module is probably, I don't know, judging by that picture, they're probably 12 foot high or something. And a couple feet across, three feet across, something like that, each container. So I mean, it's a pretty big system. Yeah, they just show it here kind of in the middle of a field somewhere on a slab. Right. Easy to set up. They link together. They're interconnected interchangeable. Right. So just another one of these things that Tesla is bringing in in terms of clean energy, right? They have their solar roof. They have their solar panels. - Yeah. - They have the power pack. The, what was the home one, the power wall? - Power wall, yeah. And now the mega pack. - Mega pack. - Yeah. - Well, they do say here that they had to scale back power packs in 2018 and 2019 because of the demand for Tesla batteries for the vehicles. So that's a problem, it's just that they had to, they had a little shortage there, they needed to come up with more batteries. So, backed off of that a little bit. And I know that the solar roof project has been a slow start. Really cool though, because these tiles look like natural roof tiles or they have a few flavors. You can even get, I believe, what the Adobe style. Yep. They can either be like tar shingles or they can be, what do you call those? They terracotta style. That's what it is. The terracotta, yeah. They rounded ones at the clay. Right. Tiles. piece, a shingle or tile or whatever you want to call it, has its own little built-in solar panel and then they all connect together and produce a pretty large amount of solar energy and they're trying to bring the cost down to compete with some other traditional solar panels which they also sell but make it a durable roof that'll last just as long as a typical roof today. So what are they 30 years? But also we'll save you tons and tons of money on energy costs. So really cool technology. They just keep pushing the envelope in batteries and that's probably their biggest cross right now is the fact that they can't produce their home batteries fast enough. Which is where I think the gigafactory in China and I think they're looking at putting another one in Europe somewhere will help them continue to produce the amount of batteries that they need to produce to keep up with these technologies that they keep implementing. But really cool stuff. The share amount of power that MegaPack can handle is very impressive, up to one gigawatt of energy storage. They said that's enough to power every home in San Francisco for six hours. That's a lot of energy. Damn. There's a lot of homes in San Francisco. But you think about that. And when it comes to offsetting peak demands and just the power companies have a deal with that, in efficiency between peak loads and non-peak loads, it makes a lot of sense. I think they said the one in Australia that they used already paid for itself. It was very quick ROI. I don't remember how long it took, but I know just because of the efficiencies there, that were gained by having that offset the power, it was able to pay for itself very quickly. Kind of 10, 10-inch of this. Like one of the, an interesting thing that is happening in the Midwest right now with a lot of these wind farms, because you know the farmers will put gigantic wind turbines in their field. Yeah. and they're generating energy. So they're basically at this point, getting in there, connecting to the grid, and they're basically providing energy right to the grid, which then they get paid by the power company. So it's pretty much a straight profit for them, right? - Yeah. - But the problem now is becoming is like, the power companies are saying, "Well, no, you're using our grid, you're using the whole system in a way, you're providing to it, but you're also using the transmission lines. There's a cost for us to maintain those, like you should not get to use them for free. - Oh, you need to pay a service to put your power on our lines. - Exactly. So like basically you can't be negative or you know you can't just always demand a return. It's kind of the way that they're starting to look at it. And I think they're correct about that. Like somebody's got to maintain those lines. - Well the infrastructure cost money. - Yes, exactly. - Yeah. - So unless you're gonna go to like what we've talked about in previous episodes where like everything is kind of in micro scale, right? So like every little community has their own little micro power plant and they're on the little micro sewage plant and so forth. You have to do something like that because all the infrastructure costs, crazy amounts of money to maintain and improve. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Crazy. Can I go back to my story that we were talking about the Delta Pilot? If you want to do the Delta Pilot, fire away, buddy. Yeah, I heard about that. Yeah, we got this one. - Yeah, also sent me this a little bit. - Our good friend, the Gomer. - The old Gomer, he's got so many pseudonames and whatever. Okay, yeah, this dude was third, the pilot was booted off a fully boarded plane in Minneapolis and arrested, 37 year old dude, Gabriel Schroeder, was coughed after 11 a.m. Tuesday and they found him wreaking of alcohol and he happened to have a bottle of booze on him. - I've been to Minneapolis, I would drink two if I was there. (laughs) not your cup of tea. - No, it's fine. - You need a drink just to like, not freeze a death. I think in the winter time. - That's a good idea. - You made that false sense of warmth. - Yeah, exactly. That helps it makes it feel a little more palatable there when it's 12 below zero, or 25 below zero, whatever it does. - Full of mosquitoes, or yeah. - No formal charges were immediately filed against him or any formal complaint. It's all pending toxicology tests, which could take a week. He was booked and released. - And it does. - So what's the charge there? There's no DUI. It wasn't driving anything. Yeah, Delta's alcohol policy is among the strictest in the industry and we have no tolerance for violation. I mean, he'll probably get fired. I don't know. Oh, I would have to imagine. I don't think they're gonna give them. I don't think there's second chances. The cost of them. Yeah, letting somebody letting that happen again is like I can't imagine they would allow that to happen. Man, why don't you just call in sick? Why do you even try to go? Like he actually was going through the the TSA screening line for crew members, but he noticed they were doing additional screening so he got out of line. Like why, and he had a, wow, he had a bottle of booze on him. In the TSA line, I mean, that's pretty balsy work there. - Clearly, really intoxicated, 'cause I get it's hard to believe that he wouldn't have known that or-- - Thought to realize that that would be a problem. - That might be a bad idea. - Right. - Should probably not do that here. - I did it, yeah. And that much liquid, right? Like you're gonna get flak for having-- - If you're gonna do it, make sure it's in three ounce bottles, - Right, you know. - I had an experience with that actually in Nashville. I got some hot sauce. - Yeah. - Sweet baby raised hot sauce. It was in a five ounce. - Oh, no bueno. - I only had my carry on. I had to make our good buddy, Rain, who's listening here, carry it back on the plane for me 'cause I didn't have that or somebody recommended drinking two ounces. (laughing) Two ounces of hot sauce down the hatch. - What did his shirt say? It was drinks before I do, is there something like that? - Oh, I don't know if we want to talk about that. - There was some pretty, pretty classy photos that came across the wire there. - It didn't get too bad, it was fine. - Everybody behaved for the most part? - Yeah. - What happens in Nashville stays in Nashville kind of a thing? - Exactly. - All right, very good. While your wife's online, we're not gonna talk about it. (laughing) - Nothing to get anybody in trouble here. You can tell me after the cast, that'll be in the post show. - Right, speaking of crazy stories, I got a crazy story for you, I wanna relay this to you. I haven't talked about this to you at all 'cause I was curious to get your reaction. - Okay. - Yeah. So, kind of starting off at the beginning here, so you're familiar with Meetups, Meetup groups? - Yeah, sure. Meetup.com. Yeah, exactly. So it's a site that has different kinds of clubs or groups that you can join. Some of them are open, some of them are not. Ranged from anything from technology to hiking to running to whatever, you know, any interest you have in the world, you can find a group. So about a year ago or a little over a year ago, there was a group that my wife had joined at Chef down the street here. Chef? Yeah. I don't know what they do exactly. The company's called Chef. the group that they had was called Seattle Coffee Ops. It was a group about DevOps work, which we're familiar with. I'd even recommend this group on our team's channel once upon a time, a long time ago. They meet at about nine o'clock, I think once every week or two weeks. And then it's just a discussion about different devy topics with smaller groups. So I think usually in this case, maybe let's just say for the sake of argument, 40 people show up, they split into five groups and you discuss whatever the day's topic is amongst your group. Some DevOps topic. It doesn't have to be dev, a lot of times it ended up being engineering. Sometimes it's recruiting, it could be a lot of things. - Okay. - It's a DevOps group, but it kind of goes in a lot of different directions. - Because the wide range of it. - Yeah. So I went to this group a few times, and I enjoyed it, I learned a lot from it, and it was a pretty interesting learning experience. And so I joined their Slack channel. So just like we have a Slack channel here, they have one as well for this coffee ops group. - Okay, right. So I'm following the channel and there's a lot of stuff being talked about, all kinds of different topics, different channels that you can join about security or DevOps or job boards or whatever the heck there is, right? - Yeah. - So one day in the general channel, there was this person who was named Page and was reaching out for help, like looking for jobs basically. - Okay. - And I was kind of just following what you're saying And she sounded like she was in a little bit of a crisis, right? Like she was kind of like venting to the channel a lot. And the reason she was venting was that basically she was saying that companies were not willing to hire trans people. Okay. All right. So they weren't being inclusive and that she was being discriminated against and so on and so forth. So I referred her or I at least messaged my wife because my wife, one of the things that my wife does very, very well, she's very inclusive, and she wants to hire for diversity, and that's like one of her like focuses at every company that she's ever been at. And so I was like, you should reach out to this person, they seem like they're really struggling, and it seems like maybe they're not getting a fair shake. And so she did, she reached out on LinkedIn, she found the LinkedIn page, and reached out, and they chatted a little bit back and forth, and she passed along a few companies that she knew does diversity and inclusive hiring. - Great. - Right? So she kind of lifted at that, and then I don't think it was very much longer, probably not even a day, got a response. And basically the person was like, none of them will hire me, they don't hire trans people, they're not inclusive. - So the same issues that were previously mentioned now with these other companies. - Exactly, right? - Mm-hmm. - That's concerning. - And then added to that, she requested that Christina reached out to the counselor, a counselor, and say, this person is not getting hired or they won't basically like, basically trying to get to the counselor that they're not hiring her. So she's trying to skirt something. - What counselor, what do you mean? - Like a, I don't know, like a personal counselor, like a, to help you through issues, right? Guidance, I don't know what you wanna call that. - Like this person, I'm missing something here, this person made this suggestion, this, this this uh so yes page yeah the person that we've been talking about yeah asked Christina to email her counselor oh her counselor saying that people will not hire her oh I see she's trans that's what I missed so she has a counselor that she's working with and now wants Christina to see you know to contact them directly right okay uh therapist yeah therapists sorry yeah that's the correct term and um Christina was like no there there's no way you've contacted these people and talk to them in this amount of time, that hasn't happened. Right? Something seems a little fishy. And so things kind of went on and so forth. And suddenly this person replies to Christina and the same thing again. Christina hates trans people and then proceeds to threaten that she's going to hack her. Wow, this is escalating very quickly. So, crisis, everything here is super like 100% forward all the time. Yeah. And then even sent this GitHub repo link. Uh-oh. And it had a whole-- we didn't know what it was at first. And so Christina and I looked through it. And it was a slew of hacking tools, probably like 30 different specific tools in one GitHub repo that you can use to hack into people's accounts. OK. Right? So she'd being relatively threatening at this point. Right? So then everything just kind of stops. Enough-- don't hear anything more about it. Christina just dropped this at this point. I'm not gonna talk to this. - She blocked her, you know, everything. Everybody has been blocked. She notified at this point, the leaders of the DevOps coffee ops group. She, I believe, also emailed the therapist. You know, like basically, like kind of washed her hands of this person and was like, "I'm done." - Yeah. - I tried to help and there's something else going on here. - Exactly. We did everything we could. Well, come to find out. You heard of the Capital One hack that happened here a few days ago? - Yeah, I mean, this was a gal that was in Seattle like peeking hill neighborhood or something. - Same person. - No shit. (laughing) No way dude. - Right. - So Paige Thompson. - I think Thompson. - Really? - Yeah. Is the person's name. And yeah, I've talked to this person that hacked 100 million capital one accounts. So it's Christina. - The FBI's in the context. - I know, right. - I'm waiting for them to contact me. - Whoa. - I wonder why were you talking to this person? - Whoa, that's crazy. - Yeah. - Unbelievable. I was like blown away like a Sunday, Christina one day a couple days ago sent me a message and it was a screenshot of some of the conversation that they had had. And then it was the link to the article, you know, about the capital one hacking. And I was like, "Holy shit!" (laughs) That's wild. I just saw a photo today and the news when I was reading that story, like I saw it like person had a tattoo and like the that it done and it's like, oh, they're from Seattle and unbelievable. Yeah, worked for Amazon, worked for a number of other companies in the area And it does sound like the actual hack is much larger than Capital One. - Okay. - There's a really good article I have linked in the show notes that I'll post. She actually had access to a whole lot of other companies data. - Yeah. - She may not have accessed it, but she could have very easily. - Yeah. And this was a particular, I don't know the details of this breach, but was it some kind of OS level of vulnerability or was it just something but their security that was-- - So was I understand it because she was an Amazon S3 employee? I don't know if-- - Oh no. - I don't think it was a current, maybe I'm wrong about that, but she was able to basically use an inside methodology to get into these accounts and into these storage pieces. - Really? - As I understand it. So, and this is, and the article I think that I sent or that you're looking at there, talks about that's kind of the cloud companies like Azure, Google, and AWS, this is like their biggest fear, is because the inside hacking, how do you prevent that? - Right. - So in this case, this person had access to Amazon as three buckets. - Potentially, yeah. - So it's awesome. - Or at least had some knowledge of it and was able to exploit it in some way, yeah. - Really? - But I think Ford was involved. Like she could have potentially had some Ford information in there, obviously Capital One. And there was a couple of other notable names as well. - Wow. - Yeah. - That's crazy. - That was a crazy story. That came up, I think early in the week or late last week I can't remember exactly and I wanted to save all of that 'cause I was like, "Oh, I'll get Mike's response here on the podcast." - Well, that's pretty cool, man, 'cause I just knew that this person was local, but I didn't know the whole backstory that you guys, you and Christina had been. - You were trying to be a nice guy, man. - We were trying to do the right thing, right? - We were trying to do the right thing. She was trying to help out. - Right. - And what, her nickname is erratic. - Erratic, that's what she went on, on Twitter, yep, which her LinkedIn has been removed. Her Twitter has been removed. I'm not sure she had a GitHub and she had a GitLab. Yeah. So the funny thing about this too, if you read the articles, the reason that she got, one of the reasons she got snagged was that they found links to her GitHub, which linked to her GitLab, and in her GitLab, she actually had committed her resume. Really? Oh boy. Even a little trail. Yeah. Damn, man, that's wild. Yeah. up to five years in prison a quarter million dollar fine. Not really that big of a penalty. Doesn't seem like. Not for a hundred and six million pieces of, you know, profile data. I mean, she didn't do anything with the data as far as they know. She downloaded it for certain. But she didn't, and then I think she posted it to a GitHub. That's how it was found. Somebody reported it after they had found it. But I don't think she specifically like tried to use any of the data for anything specific. Okay. So maybe that's why the penalty doesn't seem that harsh. - Sure, but. - Well, that's fascinating, man, so that personal connection there. (laughing) - A little too personal. - I know, it's a little weird. - Yikes, oh my gosh, man. Careful who you help online, I guess. - I guess that's true, yeah. - Damn. - If they're in crisis, maybe just run away. - You gotta let us know if the FBI comes calling, man. - That'd be something. - Wow. - Go on to the FBI and get an interrogation. - Crazy. They're gonna, yeah, talk to your Christina, see what happened there. (laughing) - On that note, I want to get your opinion on the Equifax breach, that previously happened. You know, now they're faced with a $700 million settlement. You've heard about that. So is this the breach? This I think may have happened while we were in France. Because I think if I remember correctly, I was sitting in John and Mary's place in France and looking up how to get the Equifax protection or see if I was involved. It was in 2017, so it could have been. It was around that time for the wedding, right? When we were out there. Sure. Yeah. years ago. What's interesting about it, and I'd like to get some feedback from anybody that's done this or should I should ask a couple co-workers because I know that they are $700 million in a pool essentially that you can get, first of all, if you were a part of the breach, but then if you had damages associated with it, if you paid for, oh, what do they call that, like the identity protection? If you paid for that or if you actually had experienced fraud and then had to take time off or incurred personal expenses to fight the fraud charges or hire a lawyer, that sort of thing like then you're entitled up to. I think the maximum reward is $20,000. But they'll offer you if you were a part of the breach at least free credit monitoring for a year or $125. I think you have to demonstrate some impact, not just that your information was part of it, but that you had to pay for some service or do something in order to get any money. - Okay, I thought the 120, I haven't looked at this very much. I've just heard about it on the periphery a little bit, but I thought the 125 dollars that you could claim was for anybody that was affected. - Well, I think so. I just don't know how strict it is because I saw that, and I went online, I went to the forum, I filled out my information, and sure enough, they said, yeah, you were part of this breach. So I said, I don't want the credit monitoring. I just want the $125. And then they asked for more documentation to back up. They said, look, you can get up to $2.00. But you have to-- I think you can claim up to 10 hours of time spent, but you had to document this stuff. They wanted documentation. And I'm not sure how stringent that would be. If I just said, no, yeah, I spent 10 hours trying to fight this. Will they actually audit that? Or what kind of proof do you need to get a payout? I'm not really sure. - Well, and I haven't seen some information today. I think it was on Twitter that basically, you shouldn't even bother to request the amount from them, whatever $25 you can request because you'll never get it. I didn't read into the details of why, but it came from like the AP, so a pretty major news outlet. - Yeah. - So yeah, I don't know how that works, or who's entitled to what, but it didn't sound like. - I mean, reintzing that anyone can claim up to 10 hours of working on repairing it. I just don't know how to prove that. I mean, that's what I'm wondering is like, well, how do I demonstrate that? 'Cause I don't have physical documentation, but I did, I was a part of the breach, and so I would, you know, I'd like to claim that. - Your accountant would say keep all your receipts? - Yeah, well, is that what you need? - I don't know. - Or are they just saying that, and then you really-- - I mean, what other documentation could you provide if you don't have receipts for stuff? - Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I just don't know how thorough this audit process is gonna be. There's so many people affected, are they actually gonna go one by one, they're just going to say it's not worth our time to investigate this. Like if everybody's just going to get 10 hours worth of, you know, yeah, over 10 you have to prove. So what he's saying. So under 10, it did ask for something. Yeah, he's going to, he's going to provide some more information for us on that. When we can, we can, once we get that info, we'll relay that on the cast next week or whenever we get it. But yeah, I'd like to just be, I think you can just claim. I don't know. We'll see what he has. Because I know I was affected. Christina was not, but I was. Wasn't that basically half of the world or half of the country was pretty much affected? It was huge. I don't remember exactly how many, but 700... Yeah, there's 147 million victims. So yeah, about half. Less than half a little bit. Yes. Yeah, I thought it was something like that. Yeah. Wow. Well, thanks, Rain. We'll get that information and relay that on next week. That'll follow up that in the show notes. And everybody go out there and check the link and see if you can get some money. - Excellent. Let's move on to Bezos satellites, not to be confused with Bezos balls. (laughing) - Another fascination over here. Bezos balls these spheres. The Amazon go, that's not Amazon go, it's just the offices down there. - I don't know, I don't know, there's a bar in there, what else is in there? - I've never been in them, have you been in them? - I've not been in them, I've not been in Bezos balls, no I've not. But I know that there's restaurant bar. - Yeah, it's really nice looking bar. It looks pretty, very posh. - Yep. - And quite the ecosystem right now. - Rather expensive as I understand too, right? - Zotic plants, it is expensive. Yeah, I looked at the menu for that and it was not a cheap happy hour for sure. - Yeah, one of our co-workers was discussing, I think it was the bar and was basically saying, like, you feel sorry for anybody that works there 'cause I don't think they can climate control it. - Oh no. - So it has to be part of like the same part of the ecosystem, so pretty steamy. - Yeah. Everybody in there is going to be sweat in the entire time that they're hanging out. Maybe it wasn't the bar, but something else inside the spheres at least. Yeah, right. Lexan just jumped in. She's a little late to the party, said, "Looks like I missed some good topics." Well, you have to pick it up later when the podcast is produced, or you can catch for a live video here. Yeah, you can always watch. That's a good point. I'm glad you mentioned that, because you can always watch the full podcast immediately after on Facebook. The whole thing will be there. I think you could probably even watch it now from the beginning. That's probably true. I think you could rewind it. But yeah, it's always available on Facebook immediately following the live show. And then we do publish what our little syndication feed goes out next day, usually next day or two. Yep. And then you can get it on Spotify and iTunes and all those good places. On your Tesla in the tune-in app. That's right. In the in-car display. Don't text and drive as we mentioned earlier. No fender banners on my watch. I'm not responsible. I'm going to add that to the ending piece here. >> Can you please put that in there? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, we are not responsible or liable for any accidents caused by texting and driving on the coffee codecaster. Sorry, Dave. Yeah. Anyway, let's talk about the project, man. Let's talk about project Kuiper. Project Kuiper. So we've talked previously about SpaceX, Neuralink. What do we call that? What does it call? I forgot the name of that already. >> Of the Tesla or SpaceX version? It's called, "Why am I not thinking of it already?" Starlink, dude. There you go, Starlink. So we talked about Starlink because in a recent Falcon Heavy mission, they launched 60 prototypes or 60 of the satellites into space. That was a really cool, successful launch. And the idea there is to create a grid of satellite internet satellites that can span the entire globe. If you have a pizza box size receiver on the ground, then in theory you would have access to internet anywhere on the earth. Their hope is eventually to get approval. I think they've received FTC approval already, FCC? FCC. Yeah, approval to launch 12,000. That would be the idea is to have a grid of 12,000 satellites and global domination with the internet. Well, there's a new competitor in the space. Of course, Jeff Bezos has his own blue origin company, but they have a new project, Kuiper, that's doing their own satellite internet in a very similar fashion. I don't know much about the technology, how it differs from what SpaceX and Starlink are doing, but they have a, they propose a network of 3200 satellites delivering high-speed internet and nowhere in the world as well. Do you know, are these going to be the same type of Starlink satellites where they're low orbit? Well, that's a good question. I don't know anything about the technology. I just saw this article pop up, so I need to look a little bit more. But I think that was the whole benefit of having the Starlink was that it was low latency. By having it in low-earth orbit, then you were able to get very low latency response times from the grid. So I'm trying to look here. This is interesting. So it looks like they're trying to make it play a bit more for the consumer market. Okay. Kind of a more wide swath of the consumer market. Whereas I think Starlink is more to kind of in the Facebook way of doing things, right? They're just trying to get everybody in the world connected. I don't think it was necessarily like to be the consumer broadband service. It was just to try and get coverage everywhere in the world. - Right, right. - It's been billions of dollars in the project. There's not a lot of details. 3,236 satellites, yes, in low-earth orbit. So 784 at an altitude of 367 miles and then another 1200 at a height of 379 miles. Anywhere between 367 and 400 miles effectively, low-earth orbit is where they're gonna have these satellites. It's one of their projects. It's a new initiative to launch a constellation of low-earth orbit satellites that will provide low latency, high-speed broadband connectivity to unserved and underserved communities around the world. Said NAMZ on spokesperson. - Okay, so they are trying to tout the same type of thing, but it does sound like, It does sound like they're also maybe trying to make it more widely available, like maybe get other people that are on currently connected type connections to use this type of thing. I think these could be really interesting because like I think we talked about this before where people were asking if, I think this is on the Tesla earnings call where they were asking if the Starlink satellites maybe could be used in place of LTE for Tesla vehicles, which would be really cool, right? than theoretically you have connectivity anywhere you go, whereas LTE definitely cuts in and out depending upon your location. Still pretty bad, and it'll get better with 5G, but that's going to be a while before it's everywhere. Well, it'll get worse before it gets better because 5G is not going to be in every corner of the world. It's going to be harder to have more satellite. You have to have more antennas for 5G, just because of the spectrum that it's on. It's not going to be, yeah, because of the high bandwidth, it doesn't have, it's kind of like 802 AB and G, like the different standards. So you can get, what are you trying to accomplish? You want it to penetrate through walls. You can do that, but then you're going to get a shorter range. If you can go farther, then it's, I don't know. There's always trade-offs, right? And what you can get. And so I think with 5G, what I've heard anyways, that you have to have a lot more equipment, more frequently, in order to achieve that bandwidth and low latency. So I have just heard this morning. I think it was a Verizon extended their 5G coverage, too. I think it was three or four more cities. So it is coming, just not very quickly. And I don't think a lot of phones support it, right? - Yeah, certainly not the iPhone, not until 2020, at the earliest. I think the iPhone 11 might. - Is there some Android phones that do that? Like usually Android's a little bit ahead of the curve. But I don't know if they have any. - I don't know. - Not the flip phones, or the fold phones, man. Don't get those. Yeah, don't get that. Yeah, Verizon launches 5G in four more cities. Chicago Denver Minneapolis. - Yeah. - So while you're hot or cold, - If you're while you're uncomfortable. - Yeah. - While you're drinking booze to keep yourself warm in Minneapolis, you can have some high speed in your new mobile device. - Yeah, Providence and St. Paul, which is the same as Minneapolis, so that's stupid. - Yeah. - So I don't really wanna get into our next topic 'cause I feel like we could talk about that for a little while, so you got anything else you wanna wrap about? - Oh, I see, yeah, we didn't, gosh, we went long today, didn't we? - Yeah, we started jabbering about Delta lounges Alaska lounges and all that kind of stuff so yeah we did yeah that we have a good topic for next time though We I think it's My is well just give a quick intro to it at least but we don't to talk about it now Yeah, oh we'll go ahead and intro away. I don't know what you want to say there. Oh my sister does say Tagging on to the previous topic that in my little former hometown of Albert City, Iowa population of I don't know 750. Yeah, they do not have the 5G available yet. 5G is not 5G arriving sometime in 23. Yeah, maybe right about the time that the light rail is going to be hitting, you know, the Redmond area. That's right. That's going to be fantastic. That'll be great. Someday for some people, when your kids are graduating high school, then Fred Car wants to know, do you ever talk about Bitcoin? Actually, it's not been a frequent up topic of conversation here, but we do have a guest speaker that we're going to bring on. I can mention that a little bit. Brent Lyman, a good buddy of mine, who works for CoinMe. And so I let him explain it. He can do a better job explaining it than I can, but they have the largest network of Bitcoin ATMs around the country. They have a partnership with CoinStar, and you can basically go to their ATMs or go to the CoinStar machines and you can exchange currencies with CoinStar. you know, currencies for Bitcoin and all that sort of stuff. - Well, and if we could ever get our buddy, Rain, who's been listening onto the show, he was a former minor. - Yeah. - So he could probably shed some light on the subject as well. - Yeah, I would like to get Rain on the show. Rain, you don't even have to, you could just dial in, you don't have to be on the camera if that would make you more comfortable. - Sitting his office over there and dial in. - Fred, I'm glad you brought that up, Fred. And thanks for joining the cast. you know, Fred's a coworker of ours downstairs. He's a long time, powerhouse salesman down here, quote wizard. And I think Bitcoin would be a great top to talk about. And so if you have ideas on what you wanna hear about, we can make that happen too, buddy. - So do you have any Bitcoin? - Any coins of any kind? - Yeah, I don't. You know, you can kick yourself, whatever I can kick myself. I was looking at it when it was down to 3,500 around the end of the year, like December, I think. November, December, it was down around 30, as low as I think it was almost like $3,000, like $3,200 and I thought about getting a few. I just saw today that it was almost up to 10,000. Did it break 10,000 today? It was making a rebound. This is actual Bitcoin, not Ethereum or any other kind of thing. This is BTC. Yeah. Yeah. Long time listener, first time caller. Yeah, exactly. Thank you. Yeah, Bitcoin broke 10,000 today. So it's at 10, 10, 036. - And that's up from what's low, what was the low here, what a year ago or something like that? Right, 'cause I'm from like super ridiculously high. - 32.71. So it's up about $6,800. - Wow, excellent. - Yep, I could have tripled my money. - That would have been a better investment than what we do in our little trading app in Robinhood. - I mean, in my Robinhood app right now, but you know, I'm a big, I'm a big crisper. I've got a big position in crisper right now and crisper has been doing great for me, man. or kicking ass, or well, I can tell you don't invest in hexo, hexo cannabis. - Did they not? - Not so great. We lost a lot of money with hexo, not a lot. I don't have a lot in there, but I've lost a good percentage. - I think there's still a buy. It's just gonna be a long, it's gonna be a long play. - Yeah, it's a long play. It's not gonna be a quick thing. Yeah, I have a marijuana, I have a rare cannabis actually. - And hey, if you wanna get your own free stock, I can give you a referral link. Don't use mine. - It's mine. - Don't use mine. - I'll send it over to you. - Well, we'll each get a free stock. - It'll be great. - That would be awesome. We recommend you check out the Robinhood app where you can buy and sell free trades. - Yeah. - It's actually very easy to set up. You just go in and we have a little group where we a little friendly competition with some friends. And so everybody puts in, put in 500 bucks at the beginning of a quarter and whoever has the biggest gain at the end gets a free stake dinner. - My wife says doja coin is where it's at. - Doja coin. Now what's that? - That's that dog. - What the hell is that? You'd have to Google it. - I've heard of some others like XRP. Is a big one. - I don't know a lot about a lot of the coins. Light coin? - This dog. - Doge coin. - It's like a meme. - They used to be a big thing. - Yeah. - Okay. - Maybe I'm saying it incorrectly, but that's how you say it. - We're gonna get Lyman on here from CoinMe. - Yeah, you should. that be great we've talked about it a few times now and we just haven't i've dropped the ball on it yet he's an advisor uh... Fred says he's got dragon unicorn but they're both Seattle companies and some randoms uh... awesome dude not familiar with either of those needed talks to more yet i'm not familiar with those either uh... yeah he's a uh... senior advisor with uh... point me so we'll get him on here and we'll have to, what I'll do first is get, you know, make sure Fred's around, we'll get some good questions and some things that we can ask, Fred that you're interested in hearing about and maybe even get you on too. So great, I'm glad you brought that up, thank you. - Love it. Yeah. - All right, you wanna do a little tease here and then we'll close it up. - Yeah, I'll do a quick preview for next week. Hopefully we don't get too caught up in the news, but you know, we like to talk about things that happen in the office quite often and without giving too much away, you know, one of our esteemed colleagues has been kind of picked for a new role and is going to be kind of, I don't know what you'd say, like, you know, basically, there leaves a big opening in our department here in leadership. And so not really sure what that means for us, but I think there's a lot we can talk about just as how do you deal with those types of changes as they happen? Very exciting on one hand, but also raises a lot of questions on the other. So I think we have a a lot to dig into there and I'm excited to get on to that topic next week. Yeah, that'll be fun to talk about. So we'll see everybody here next week. And as always, our artwork is provided by your name. 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