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44: The Meatless Meat Revolution

This week we host special guest and friend of the show Wyatt Kelso (Gomerpyle) for a talk about aviation, PicoBrew vs. the Spinn coffee maker, more SpaceX launches, the Meatless revolution and another round of what we're watching.
44: The Meatless Meat Revolution

This week we host a special guest and friend of the show Wyatt Kelso (Gomerpyle) for a talk about aviation, PicoBrew vs. the Spinn coffee maker, more SpaceX launches, the Meatless revolution, and another round of what we're watching.

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Yeah, and I don't think they know. I think if I'm not mistaken the forecast or anywhere from like they would say like Oh, it might last 500 years or it might last like 20,000 really they don't really know interesting Yeah, okay, but other other creatures are inhabiting the area right like other animals are coming back Yeah, so it's getting better that the other crazy thing is like I think it's called perpillette Is the name of the city that wasn't that was closest to the reactor mm-hmm and Just yeah kind of the same thing you were talking about where like people disappeared They were in the middle of daily life right doing whatever they're doing for the day and like all of sudden the military rolls in and like just starts The Ronald Mambuses so like whatever they were doing at the time They just like if we were podcasting right now. They would just it would remain here All right, you didn't take anything that's bizarre So yeah, it's crazy just to put yourself in those in their shoes to think of what that would be like to just be uprooted immediately and Never returned to anything that that you own I have to say this and I don't know we have a minute a few minutes It's like not to go down this rabbit hole, but you made me think of something. And I've mentioned this to you maybe before, but I was a student at Columbine at the high school when the incident happened in '99, right? For '20. And I was in the building, but we had a very similar experience because when we evacuated that we had not returned until later that summer. So this happened April 20th. We evacuated the building, got out of there, and when the SWAT team came through and the FBI and whoever was doing the investigation, they investigated. And I remember the time I was in a computer lab and I was in track. So I had a Gatorade bottle that was my water bottle and I had that sitting on the desk next to the computer and had my backpack and whatever else I had, like my pen and pencil or paper. When we were allowed to go back in to get our possessions. And how long, how many days had transpired or were we-- - It was several months. I think it happened in June or July. - Yeah. I don't remember exactly now, but I think it was maybe in July. It was still during summer recess that they cleared everything and the investigation wrapped up and we were allowed to go back into the building. And so yeah, they kind of had this thing stage where we could come in and I went back into the room that I was in and it was fucking just eerie because everything was still there. Like the bottle was still there, the back, the backpactors had a pink ribbon tied to it, basically meaning that they swept it for any kind of bombs or any materials and it was, you know, they scanned it. But it was the most airy experience to even be gone for a few months and then be transported right back to that day and be like, holy shit man, like nothing, they didn't lift a thing, right? It was this very strange experience. - Especially something like that, where you know, like tons of people are through there all the time. - Yeah. - And yeah, nothing changed in the span of months. Yeah, and I didn't go down there in the cafeteria. I think at that point, they probably had cleaned up certain areas because that's where a lot of the incident occurred was down there and in the library. But I know for a fact, for weeks, the lunch, you could see through the windows, like people that had long-range cameras and could zoom in and stuff, all the lunches were still left on the table and all this shit. [MUSIC PLAYING] [Music] Well, it's a full house here on the Coffee Codecast. Welcome to episode 44 of the podcast where we talk about neither coffee or code. I'm Kyle Johnson. Hey Kyle, I'm Mike Sheahan and today on the cast we have a special guest in the studio. He's a currently an airframe and power plant mechanic, certified structural welder, former F-16's weapons crew chief did a tour in Iraq and two tours in South Korea, and he's a former Subway sandwich maker. (laughing) Please welcome to the cast, our guest, our guest, Wyatt Kelso. Welcome to the cast. - Hi there, welcome. And you did forget, what was it? FedEx Boxloader. - FedEx Boxloader, that's right. We talked about that because I was a UPS hubsorter, maybe not around the same time, but in the same area. We were both in the Midwest, like you were doing it in Iowa, like Manawa. - Yeah. - And I was over in Omaha at the UPS. rival rivalry there, a little bit of a rivalry for a bit, but pretty cool stuff. Also fellow midwesterner, fellow Iowan. He's wearing the Hawkeye gear today. Yeah, I should have brought the GBR gear. I should have wore my Husker red because I didn't realize that both of you bastards have been here at the same time supporting your Iowa. I dropped the ball on that one. But hey, man, we're happy to have you here. So basically, you're switching roles and we'll get into it a little bit more, but you, your current gig like you can fly as a mechanic like you can fly standby and so you basically what rang up Kyle yesterday and said hey I'm gonna come out and visit. Yeah that's pretty much how it happened. Just loaded up my United app and said oh those free C's available and just click and booked. I'm jealous man that's how well I wouldn't get my miles if I had to go on standby but I guess at that point you care as I can go anytime I wanted to. and it's zero dollars to me. - Yeah, exactly. Pretty sweet deal. For those that don't know why it is, goes under the online, what? Moniker, pseudonym, handle, whatever you wanna call it, a gomer. So we talk about the gomer a lot on the show and areas today and the flesh. - Long time listener, first time caller. - Yeah, first time visitor to the cast. But see what happens if you listen to the cast, if you jump on the YouTube and on the Facebook on the slack and you do it long enough then you come out here and hang out on the show. So how fun is that? Oh, you skittles in a bill. Yeah, exactly. You get a slider there. We should have got you another one, man. You're going to run dry here. It's only five minutes in and he's already a cup less than half full here. Well, this is what happens when you actually accept the invites that we give here. Yeah, hint hint. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm realizing I didn't do a very good job of setting this up. So I've got this like mic stand right in my face. I'm looking at the video. Probably me for that. I should have put it over here and then put that way, but I was thinking then, yeah, I wasn't thinking. Now we know, we learned something new today. Yeah. How to set it up. So what the hell's going on, man? What do you guys been up to? I know you're playing hooky today. Yeah, I took the day off, run around with this guy since he gave me like 24 hours notice. And what do we do? We went to the museum of flight. We did. Oh, very cool. And what do you think about that? I've been once. It's pretty sweet, huh? Oh, it is. - They had a bunch of aircraft there and they tried to teach him some stuff. - I learned more about aircraft today than I've ever learned in my entire life. - Well, I mean, these are the best guys I have with you when it comes to that. - Yeah. - Was it pretty busy there today? - There was quite a few mostly school programs and stuff like that running through there. - Yeah. - It was pretty thick. We did get to go by where all the, what is it, seven, is it eight, seven max? All the grounded planes, whatever number. - Oh, seven, three, seven max. - Three, seven max, right? We did go by the lot that has all those parked in there. That's pretty impressive. - Wow. - The number of planes that are back there. - Yeah, I'll paint it up and everything ready to go and just sit and. - So they do that here. There's also another strip where in the desert, like it's in the calif, well, it's somewhere in California. There is a, it's actually where planes go to die. Like when they're beyond their service limitations or I don't know what the determination is, but they get to their end of life and they basically fly them to this desert airfield. And I know that they have quite a few of the 737 Max's park there right now as well. It's just a very bizarre site. It's just a graveyard for old airplanes. I know I've definitely seen that. Looks like it's called Davis Monthan Air Force Base. Okay. Largest aircraft, Boneyard. Boneyard, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. What do you ever been in that area of the country before? I have never been, but I've heard you can take like a bus tour of the Boneyard more or less, but you can't get off for obvious reasons like safety and whatnot. They won't let you just climb monkey around the planes or anything like that. No, no, budget shop edges and stuff. But like, it's still active. It's mainly full salvage purposes. You need an engine or whatever. So this plane, you go and get the other engine. Oh, that makes sense. I mean, those things, how long can an engine last? Is it, how do they measure that? Is it in terms of hours flown, I guess? Alas flown, cycles started, just things like that. Yeah. And so that usually will last longer than like other parts of the plane then. Well, it was like engines, landing gear, hydraulic pumps, anything and everything, whatever you need to get. Yeah. Oh, really cool. We talked a fair bit about that today. I was kind of interesting that starts was something that they measured more so than like takeoffs or something like that where you would think that more, what would you call that? I don't know, like the damage to the engine, right? Or stress to the engine, I guess is the word I'm looking for, what a curve versus a start. You wouldn't think that wouldn't be so horrible. Well, it does like ignitals and everything like that and the air, the starter itself. So everything like that has to be measured and it puts in a cycle count. I just read related to the 737 max that is grounded because there are delays on those orders and getting it back up and running. I know that Alaska announced that they were going to be reintroducing some of their what turbo prop planes to fill in the gap there because they're now they're going to be running into inventory issues pretty soon. What are they pushed out to now, January? Something like that, I thought I read. It was at least a few more months. I wasn't going to happen any time in the near future here. So bummer on that. Very cool. So you went to the flight museum today. Yep. And what else you guys got going on? When are you going back? Tomorrow. Oh wow. Quick in and out. yesterday heading out tomorrow. Yeah, vacation only that's so long. Yeah, man. And what's going on? You're you're transitioning too. Can you talk a little bit about that? Hopefully pending background and whatnot. Yeah, I'm supposed to be starting a job in UPS next month and September. Exit in dock and all that fun training classes. That's very cool. And that's in Louisville. Yeah. Home of the world port. Oh, man. Like, that's one place I want to go check out. And you're not so far from from our, you know, home or what do I want to say here, parent company? Well, yeah, right. Our HQ is out in Charlotte, about an hour, you're about an hour south, right? Yeah, hour and a half. Yeah. Yeah, because you're in Columbia, South Carolina. Yeah, you just take 77 north for heroin change and you'll know. Interesting. I heard too that we have quite a few because Charlotte isn't, Charlotte's not too far from the border there. We actually have quite a few employees that reside down there. I did hear that, yeah. Learning all kinds of new stuff today. Hey, Cashmere Owens likes the Coffee and CodeCas video. Thanks, Cashmere. Congratulations on your recent promotion, too, by the way, if you're listening. - Ah, very cool. - Well, let's move ahead, Joey, here we got a little follow-up. Well, I'm gonna classify it as follow-up, because we talk a lot about the spin coffee maker here. - Oh yeah, you guys like to rub it in that I don't have this machine that I bought to hire. - Yeah, I do. - Yeah, you should do. Hey, speaking of rubbing it in, And where's our fucking Cheeto sandwich, man? You didn't bring any for us today? You have KFCs uphill? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if I really would want it anyway, even if you brought it, so whatever. - Yeah. - It's fine, it's pretty bad. (laughs) Oh, Cash is on, he's like, hey, great lighting guys, thanks. This is the first time we've done, we've had a guest in the studio with video, so we're kind of trying to figure it all out. And so this is not the typical layout that we have, but we're learning a little bit here. I'll probably move the mic stands next time, so they're not blocking everyone's face. but whatever, Matt, through this thing together pretty quick. I was taking a nap on the couches for about 30 minutes there and didn't put a lot of thought into it today. - Well, something about phases for radio, but there's this pico multi-brew that our good friend Rain and coworker Rain here shared with us recently. It's a pretty cool rig. It will brew your coffee. - This thing, I don't understand what this is. It's like a Swiss army knife of brewing. Like what the fuck is this thing? - So it's like, it's so confusing. - Yeah, so it'll not only brew your coffee, but it'll brew beer for you. - Yeah, okay, so I can get coffee and beer from this single machine. - Says the best. It'll do anything. It says like here, it's like kind of iterating through all the list of things that it would do, well now it went away, but it said like it would brew kombucha or-- - Chai, poro, there we go. Kombucha, or chata. - Tea. - Golden milk. I don't know if I want a golden milk. That sounds a little interesting. Well, that's like the, to, tomeric. So they do the golden milk. It's like milk with turmeric. It's supposed to be good for your gut. - Good gut health. - All right, you never heard of that? - If they had any golden milk before? - No. - Yeah. - Pass. - All right, well, it's good for your gut. That's all I know. I tried it once up in Bellingham. I was up there for a day trip and the coffee shop had that and I thought that sounds kind of interesting. I'm gonna try it out. It's pretty good. - Yeah. - Well the thing about this, you're gonna have to, it's a good thing that it does brew coffee for you though. I'll tell you because if you're waiting for it to brew beer, you're gonna need to do something to kill the time. That takes a while. I don't know, take a few weeks, a week, I don't know. I think, well, and I think this is like an extension of a machine that they already have, because they already have like a kind of appliance, if you will, that's like just a beer brewer. I think that's kind of where they got their start. Okay. As far as I know, I think Reyn has one of those. You'll reign makers on here right now if you can fill us in on some of the details. Like, how long does it take to brew some beer on this thing? And well, it uses thermal, very sophisticated technology, precision and repeatability. The MottiBrew uses thermal steam. Brad will see in a little bit. He's in a step away for a bit. Come on back. Don't be shy. Tell all your friends. It uses thermal steam injection technology to precisely control time and temperature through advanced brew programs, delivering unparalleled consistency. They need to get Johnny Ive on that one. Delivering unparalleled consistency. Well, they don't have the beaneries, you know, that the spin has available to it. It doesn't seem. I don't see anything about that. - Yeah, they don't have what's his name, the coffee bean, that guy that they had. - Oh yeah. - Remember they brought in that expert from Argentina or something? - I don't forget what that guy was called. - Yeah, I have to look at last week's show notes, man. It was like, I forgot his name too, but it was pretty legit. - So this is interesting though. It looks more like a curig type system more so than like what yours is, 'cause yours is whole bean. - That's right. So mine is really focused on solely coffee, all types of coffee. And it's the whole process self-contained. So it's really a matter of popping in the whole beans up top. You can go in and tell the machine what you have or upload the type of coffee that's in the machine and it will download recipes for it. Adjust temperatures very precisely and all that sort of thing to get you the ultimate brew for your bag of beans. Well, maybe I take that back. It does say that you can have a single surf pack, which look more like the curig. OK. But then there's a multi-stage, Pico packs, whatever that means. - It's a nice or anything. - Yeah, and then they also have like standard paper filters so you can do like typical drip type coffee. So it does handle apparently traditional display beans. - Oh, I see that. So they do have a compostable, kareg-ish design. - Yeah. - The ecosystem they call it, the pack ecosystem. - Pico pack. - Yeah. I like this idea though, that it's a multi beverage, not just coffee, but yeah, you can do beer. I mean, the photos look really good. They've got this app that goes with it and all the different beverages you can get. They have a beverage library for unlimited world of choices. - I don't see any pricing information on this particular machine, do you? - Yeah, that's always scary. (laughing) - Yeah, so far no price. - If you have to ask. - At the bottom, it says be the first in multi-brew and you'll get 50% off launch day discounts. So it's not available yet. - No, okay. announced. So these guys are in the same boat as you. Sounds like with the spin. Yeah, there's a lot of spin when it comes to home brewing devices apparently these days. About a boom. They all sound pretty awesome, but yeah, until they hit the market. But hey guys over Pico Brew, if you want to send us a prototype too, we're very happy. Along with the spin coffee maker, we'll give it a non-us review. We'll sponsor Pico Brew. We'll give it a fair shake. Yeah, head to head review. Head to head review. Yeah, that'd be a face-off between Pico Brew and Spin. I think that'd That would be a pretty cool episode actually. So yeah, just send us over your most expensive coffee room machine and we'll put it to the limit. - Yeah, excellent. - Well, we've got the gomer here and one of his favorite segments of the show is the spin coffee update. So I feel like we need to-- - Oh, well done. - We need to make sure that he's well updated. - Do I need to make up something for him or what? - Is the update once again that there is no update? - Well, I thought I gave one last week, man. That's the only deal of every month, you know? Shipping's imminent, remember? - Oh, well then you should have a shipping notification in your mailbox right now. - Yeah, let me see, let me see how imminent it is if I pop open the old thing here. Spin, spin, machine update, July 17th. Yeah, that's where they talk about this dude. Where's he at? Wouter, that's right. Wouter, Brunia, aka the coffee nose. - The nose. - The nose. He's been certified by the Specialty Coffee Association. - That's a marketing fluff if I ever heard it. He's a resident trainer at the Amsterdam Coffee Lab, and teaches students around the globe in brewing and barista skills, sensory skills, green coffee and roasting. - Somali, Aful Coffee. - That's right, yeah, basically. - He's your guy. There's only one of them. It's Wooter in He's an Amsterdam. You gotta check him out there. Yeah, that's really all it is. Like they were talking about the pro-waterline connection. Now they have that. They were talking about the package testing, The pro-bean reservoir, the water tank, you know, the milk froth there. So the pro-model has a milk froth there that's a separate unit that comes with it. And it does hot and cold foam recipes. And they're showing final design images in this update. A lot of images. The endurance test for the grinder, been functioning flawlessly. The packaging test, like they're beating the shit out of these packages just to make sure they're ready to go. Vibration tests to simulate transit vehicle vibrations. I mean, they're very thorough over its spin about all these things, which is why it takes three years for the MVP to come out. So, you know, they're being very thorough in their testing and shock test for packaging, puncture resistance testing, and edge crush testing and blah, blah, blah, They launch a new spin blog called Spill the Beans. Number one source for a spin coffee, whether you want to catch up on roasterar market news, you can rewatch spin videos and improve your barista skills with our popular coffee recipes, or learn more about coffee trivia. - Improve your barista skills. I thought it was supposed to do all that for you. - Well, that's kind of what I thought too, but right now since I don't have it, I have to be my own barista. So that's what that's all about. But it's the Spill the Beans blog. That's interesting. We can always put a link in there for that. I do like their software. Their app is very cool. They have the app that runs the machine, and they also have the spin marketplace. And so everybody that bought a machine gets some level of spin credits on the marketplace, and then you can get locally curated like beans from all over the United States. I think that was in a previous update. They had like over 200, I think, different-- - I think, Bineries. - Bineries, as we call them, the technical term. Yeah, I'm looking at the blog right now. They have a spin coffee martini recipe. That's what a liner. - That looks cool. What else? Roasting, six ways coffee can make you more productive. No shit. The key to the best cup of coffee, go and straight to the source. Yeah, interesting. Well, they're probably gonna have some more stuff there later, but they do have recipes and the marketplace and some other things in there too. - Well good, does that satisfy your need for spin updates? - Oh yes. - You seem very satisfied now. - Yeah. - Yeah. - As a non-cappy drinker that has a spot. - I think you'd be more interested in the Pico Brews Spitting Out some logger right about now. - That's right. - Yes. Very much so. (laughing) - All right, let's move on to the new shall we? - Yeah, let's do it. (upbeat music) Well, I wanted to kick this one off because I mentioned it last week. I don't know if it was during the show or after the show, but SpaceX had another launch with Falcon 9. This was yesterday. And this was a follow-up mission to a mission that went on the AMO6 mission back in 2016. This was a... Oh, it was a heavy satellite that they were going to launch. I don't remember who the customer was and the rocket exploded. And so it failed mission and fast four or three years. And so now they're giving them a freebie. The Amos 17 launch happened yesterday. And this was a different mission because this was-- it was successful, by the way. And there were a couple of cool things that came out of this. But the first thing is that it was an expendable mission. So basically, the payload was 6 1/2 tons, which is a rather large payload for SpaceX. Up to this point, I think. Maybe they're heaviest. But because of that, usually they try They were recovered at the stage and they were unable to do so with this one because they had to use every ounce of fuel to propel this thing into its proper orbit. So there was not enough fuel left in the reservoir to bring the piece back down and have it land on what do they call that landing pad? It's of course I still love you. That's what it's called. Yeah, of course I still love you. That's the name of the barge that captures the retrieval vehicle. So it's not the Falcon Heavy because I thought the heavy was supposed to be the one that was taken up They're really heavy payloads. Well, okay, so that's a good point Maybe this is just like for you're right Falcon Heavy is the is the big boy And so maybe it's just the case that for Falcon 9 this is the yeah Yeah, yeah, and maybe I'm guessing I don't know this is pure conjecture here But I'm guessing since it was a free trip that maybe they were like hey We have some old Falcon 9 parts kind of in the in the storage shed Let's just shoot it up into space and instead of like burning a falcon heavy because I think the cost to do that is probably Quite considerably more since like a falcon heavy has what? The Merlin engines they have so many more of the Merlin engines is like Grit of like they have like three sets of nine Merlin and so 27 in total wow And so that's probably what it is that's probably from massive massive payloads like that's what shot up the Tesla But yeah, they used the Falcon 9 to get this guy into space. It was an expendable mission. The cool part about it though was the fairing. So the cover that hides the payload or protects the payload when it's going into space it comes off in two pieces first before the payload is deployed and they had a successful capture of the fairing pieces They have a couple boats that actually Go zooming around in the ocean like trying to track these things down in air and they're big nets big V shaped nets It says ship in was the name ship M. Yep. Was the recovery vehicle? Oh, yeah, you're right. I see that so yeah, they got half the nose cone for the second time and I guess they only got one half okay well 50% ain't bad It looks like they tried to recover the rocket stage and if they would have been able to successfully do that That would be three times for that particular rocket. Oh really is what I was saying here. Yeah, wow So this is pretty fascinating actually especially having just been to the Air Museum Mm down a Boeing because they have a number of different space vehicles. They have the Apollo 11 command module there right now They have a number of rocket boosters that are on display that that never were used in an actual launch but they were kind of test rocket boosters and standing next to those things and realizing just how massive they are and then there was what five of them I think it said on the Apollo missions I'm pretty sure it was five. On the Apollo 11 it was five. Yep. So five of those and you're talking about 20. Yes. 20 something? 27. I don't know the size of each engine relative. Yeah. But I know that yeah it's a massive scale. Well, really, too, if you, the sonic boom that you hear when people are miles away, right, and you can feel it, hear it. It's, it would be a pretty awesome experience to go out there and witness something like that on the ground. Yeah. There was some pretty interesting reading, you know, next to those things that I was talking about, just the amount of noise that the engine's burning makes, because of what it would say, it was dropping some crazy amount of fuel per second. I don't remember what the number was, but basically the sheer amount of fuel it was burning make so much noise that it could damage the engine itself. Yeah. Due to the noise, they kind of made it akin to like an opera singer breaking a glass. Wow. Yeah. But on a much higher scale. And yeah, they said they could, you know, it could damage things miles away just because of the volume. I'm curious to know I was looking at a close-up photo of the launch pad. And they have a series of towers. It looks like four towers in a square configuration with some cabling between them. And I'm wondering what that does, like what the purpose of that is. This is SpaceX launch fan? - Yeah. And I don't know, you can look that up. But one thing I was gonna point out, I was watching another interview with Elon yesterday on the old YouTube, and he was talking about, if it wasn't for the Apollo mission for Apollo 11, he's not sure that SpaceX would even be a company. He remembers being a boy and witnessing that historic event. And they also get to launch from the same pad 39A in Cape Canaveral. So that was like him totally geeking out, just being like, oh my God, I can't believe this. We're actually in the space and we can, we're even using the same launch pad. - So it says here according to Stack Exchange, those are used to redirect the lightning in the immediate area. So it essentially creates a Faraday cage around the rocket to ensure that there's no risk of lightning hitting the aircraft. - Mooie and Thereseante, man. - Yeah, that's pretty cool shit. Okay. Learned something new every day here, man. - That's impressive though. I see there's a video here. Does it have the same like crazy multicolored, like splatter in the sky that they keep creating when they launch their rockets over LA? You know what I'm talking about? - No, I don't. What is that about? - There's like these really cool like color. I think it's one like the second stage ignites or something like that. Like usually it's over LA or in the area where LA can see it. And it'll create this really awesome like show of light that is pretty unique. I don't think I've ever seen it from anything else. - Yeah. - And it's SpaceX launches, I think, that are doing that. - Wow, okay. - I guess the video here is just a retrieval. It's not the launch, so. - Yeah. - I'll see if I can find that and link it up. - Yeah, find that shit, damn it. - Yeah. - Sweet. Well, yeah, space. So that was a cool mission. The mission was successful and yeah, they lost the first stage, but whatever. - Yeah, SpaceX Falcon 9 is the one that I was thinking of. And I'll just kinda show you here, we'll have to post a link to it, but I'll show you what I was talking about. If it's the video I'm open for. - It was an Israeli satellite. Oh, okay. - What was? - The aim of 17 was an Israeli satellite. - Oh, okay. Well, this is black and white, so it doesn't look really cool, but it creates this like these weird like, - Or things or something. - or things or something. - Yeah. It looks really, really cool in the actual color. Here'll maybe be a better one, but this is pretty riveting for the podcast. Oh, look everybody. Huh. Nobody can see anything. There we go. This one will show it really well. Just makes a bunch of color. And you just kind of keep spreading out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, post the link to that. I'm sure people would like to see what the hell's going on over here. Yeah. That's great, dude. Alrighty. Well, uh, what else we got to go on here? Well, we got a former subway worker here. And so one of the next items in the news is subways joining the meatless revolution. What do you think about the meatless revolution, Gomer? I am pro meat. Okay. Have you tried the meatless revolution? I know. You try all these other horrible concoctions that they come up with Cheetos sandwiches and they're not wide. I mean, it's the fatable if that's even meat right there. Which? But Cheetos chicken sandwich. They bread chicken and Cheetos. Oh, okay. the Cheetos? - The chicken in the Cheetos. - All right, so it's real meat in there, okay. I wasn't sure. - Still chicken. - What if you didn't know that they had swapped it out for meatless meat? That would be an interesting test. - Yeah, we should have done that. - We should have done a little blind test for the go over here. - Should have organized a taste test. - Oh shit. - Opportunity wasted. - We'll never know now. Yeah, meatless revolution. Subways coming out with their latest now to join. Who is it? It's beyond, not beyond me. It's the other one. Impossible. Impossible, right? Impossible foods. This is going all over the place. We've talked about this a number of times, and there's a quite a number of chain restaurants that have picked this up, and I'm even seeing it now at some of the smaller local restaurants have impossible burgers. So it's picking up steam. It looked pretty good, so they're coming out with a meatball sub that's going to be using the meatless, the impossible meat. It's going to launch in 692 stores in the limited trial starting in September. I don't know how many franchises subway has, certainly thousands. I don't know what percentage this represents, but yeah, 692 restaurants are going to be getting the new meat option, meatless option here in about a month. I remember years ago, O5 in sense. There was a big ol' stamp on the box. It says soy meatballs. So I don't know how-- Soy meatballs. Yeah, ever since '05. So they were maybe doing the meatless thing before it was a cool thing to do. Could be. Maybe they're just finally publicizing it. But I mean, it might be that they're going now too, instead of a soy product, to whatever the plant-based. What is this? Oh, special guest. Matthew Schlyer is in here. What's he got to say? Feel like there's some jokes in this section. How is he talking about-- what are you talking about, Slayer, what you talking about. Thanks for joining us on the cast. This is Slayer's first time joining the cast. - Well, welcome. - We've talked about him a number of times. - Oh, he's talking about like some meatball jokes or something. Do you have any good meatball jokes for us? Soy balls, I don't know. - Oh boy. - I'm not gonna go there. This is a family friendly show, Slayer. I keep all the dirty talk over at the bar after work. - After the show. - After the show, that's a post show. Meatless revolution, yeah, exactly. We could go, we could do a lot with that. So would you try meatless meatless meat? - I did try to go, I wouldn't say vegetarian, but meatless for a week and it ended very awful for me as myself. - No bueno. - No. - I can do that either. - Beer just drinking beer for a week or what? - Yeah pretty much. It's cereal and beer and mac and cheese. - I can't imagine what could go wrong. I don't know. Talk about the fundamental components of nutrition there. (laughing) You got your carbohydrate with your liquid carbohydrate with your cheesy carbohydrate. - What the hell could go wrong? - And then a little milk for protein. - Oh, there you go. - You got the protein, that's right. - Yeah. - And a little vitamin. - Maybe a little cheese for protein too, right? - A little bit of life. - A little bit of life in there. A little cow's milk on top of all the-- - Well, you didn't answer the question. Would you try meatless meat? - I'd consider it. - Yeah? I think that needs to be the next goal on you to report back to us. 'Cause you're our resident food advisor here. - Oh, this is a very sad state of a fail. (laughing) If he's our resident advisor, yeah. - Yeah. - Well, we're getting some corny jokes from our guest last time, Mayor Zach. Zach's on here, he goes, where does hamburger patties like to dance? - Oh boy. - The meat ball. - Oh, I was gonna guess in between the buns. - Want, want, want. Oh boy, hey. Oh shit, okay. Airmuffs kids. - Airmuffs. - Yeah. I don't know what else to say about it. - Well, a couple of other things. Is Carl Jr., we talked about other like kind of franchises that are doing this too. Carl's Duniors also was selling meatless burger made from Beyond Meat. - Yeah. - So that's the other, it's impossible in Beyond Meat, right? Those are the two big players. - That's right. - Those are the big two. - Yeah, so it just keeps coming. Like I think every major chain restaurant, at least fast food chain restaurant, I think has something on the menu utilizing that. And you've tried it. - I did try it. It was at a, what's the name of the place? It was a smaller, I don't think it's a chain, or if it is, it's a small chain, but it's in the U District, there's a burger place over there. And they happened to have it on the menu. What did this little controversial to? Because impossible was trying to expand their reach. And so they were working with, well, we talked about it, Red Robin. They were doing some stuff with white castle. Now they got a huge deal with Burger King. And because of that, they had to scale back and actually rip the product out of a lot of these smaller businesses from one of these small businesses. And a lot of these guys were saying, look, we made a big deal. big investment in this and we've been marketing and all this kind of stuff and then like, "Oh, all of a sudden Burger King comes along and you just take all the product from us and now they're pretty upset about that. Understandably so." But it seems like they must be getting caught up on the supply side. Otherwise, how could they do the meatballs with subway? It's a pretty big launch, even at a trial level, right? Yeah, I mean, I think subway is one of the top, what, one and two, three chain restaurants are probably in the world, I would guess. They're in the decline now. I don't know. They I know Chick Flays number three in the nation right now. - Top restaurant franchises. - Yeah, so yeah, I can see that they'd have some supply issues, especially as they kind of get ramped up and get things going. But what did you think about it? So like you tried it and I feel like I talked to you about it and maybe it wasn't as good as you would hope. - Well, I just need to have a better comparison, I think. It was really, I did, okay, I tried it twice. I had it once at a Chipoltae, or it's a Cudoba. I think it's Cudoba. They have a, let me eat this option now as well. So you can get that product in a burrito or burrito bowl. And so I did that once, and that was hard to tell because you got so much sauce and other things in there to mask the flavor anyway. You're not getting much of it. The texture seemed to be about the same. When I tried the burger at the other place, I don't know. To me, it did seem a little different. I don't know if I could really put a label on it at this point, but it just didn't seem to be quite the same. Maybe it was a little gritty here. I don't know. I'd have to try it again. It's been a little while now. But it definitely was okay. I ate it. It was fine. But it definitely just had a little difference to it. I'd be interested to try something mainstream like a whopper and see what that's like. - I've heard at least from kind of different sources that it's much like tofu, so kind of whatever you mix it with, it tends to take on the flavor of that a little bit. or, and obviously if you spice it, but yeah. Yeah, I haven't tried it myself. I've seen it a couple of places and I've kind of thought about it, but never pulled the trigger. Yeah, right, right. Definitely would like to though. Yeah, I wanna try it out. I think it's cool. I'll probably try the subway one. It's kind of fun to try it at different varieties of what's out there and see what's working and what doesn't. Yeah, the old Meatball Sub. I haven't had a Meatball Sub in years anyway. Maybe if the old Pioneer Square here, one, we can all make a little work trip, work lunch. I hope they have it here. We should find out what restaurant has it in Seattle. I would think one subway has to have it somewhere around here. I don't know if it's this one. These guys are kind of shady over here. But breads always a little old and well subway itself is. It doesn't seem to slow you down from going there though. I know. It's just because it's convenient. But I tell you what, I'm still like I'm weaning off of this but I used to be a real big subway guy when they had the $5 foot long promotion going on and that's since gone away. I mean that's been what a few years now since I've done that. So now you go to Subway and it's a costier like nine bucks, 10 bucks, whatever. Uh, it's like a regular lunch. I mean, it's still on the cheap end of lunches, right? If compared to sitting down somewhere, but it's not the subway that it used to be. I could go in there with a $5 bill and just say, hook me up, you know, of a notice that chicken breast foot long, all the veggies. So, uh, but yeah, their franchise is hurting quite a bit. I think that's a big part of it. They tried doing breakfast like in 2010. That didn't really take that. - I already. - They still have it, but it's just not a big, it's not a big ticket item. - I remember breakfast way before 2010 though. - Was it maybe, maybe they-- - Like, oh, seven, oh eight. - Wow, okay, so I'm gonna be, I'm gonna stay on that. Yeah, maybe it did start a lot earlier. - I remember having to open and start the breakfast for the eggs and stuff. - Really? Oh, there were a few things about it that just seemed kind of, I didn't mind the wrap. that the breakfast wrap was fine, you know, but it's a limited option. And their coffee was just something, I don't even know what the hell it was. It was like a craft kind of a coffee. I think even for a while there, they're just doing curry ag, actually. They had curry coffee machines. - Yeah. - And so, you know, like it's maybe just, I could see that being a difficult sell when you've got Starbucks charging at five bucks for their like premium, you know, artisanal coffees. versus like a Kürrig pod that costs you like three bucks or something. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I just wanted to bring that up since we don't usually talk about subway on the coffee and codecast, but since you brought it up, I just had recently seen a CNBC video clip on the old YouTube where all the good news comes from. And they were just talking about how it's been a real difficult time for subway and you know, they don't have breakfast. They, I mean, their breakfast isn't really doing well and they don't have the five dollar foot long and interestingly enough too, like just there's no, I didn't know this, but as far as franchises are concerned, if you wanted to open a franchise, it's in the contract that they can put those things wherever the fuck they wanna put 'em. So like if they wanna put one upstairs, they could put another one upstairs or if they wanted to put one next door, like you don't have control over your territory at all. And so that's been a problem too, because in some areas like in Lower Manhattan, for example, in like a certain block radius, a pretty small, maybe within a half of a mile, there's something like 10 or 12 subway restaurants. And so what happens is, is the subway, the parent company is rebeating the benefits 'cause they get their cut from all of those revenues, but then it gets diluted between restaurants. So instead of going to the one on this block, now that there's three of them you can choose from, in theory they could be getting a third of the revenues because of that. So that's been an issue. And then compared to Mickey D's, just the amount of money that a store brings in, I think the average subway, well McDonald's brings in something like 1.2 million in revenues per location a year, and a subway is like 400,000 bucks. - That's up, yeah. - So, you know, think about that. And I imagine that you're, you maybe your startup costs are less because you don't have to have the friars and all the equipment. I think it's probably more money to get into a Mickey D's. I think you need a million bucks or 750 to get into one of those. But, You subways gotta be less because it's all just cold storage, right? And they got a couple turbo chefs. >> Yeah, something like that. >> Right, is that what those are called? >> I think so. You, Gomer would know, I don't know, the little. >> I haven't operated that thing in ten years. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm pretty sure it's what they are. The turbo chef is just, yeah, WAM bam, like 10 seconds later, like, it's kind of like back to the future, remember that one, when they like, take the little, little pizza out of the foil pack and they put it into the hydrator. And like five seconds later, it's a steaming hot pepperoni. - Howdy, you pizza's ready. - That's right, yeah, exactly. So that's what the turbo chef is. That was the vision and the reality is the turbo chef. It didn't quite work out according to plan, but still pretty impressive though. So yeah, sun is washing the video out. Oh yeah, Brad's back. He said, "Hey, I missed the burger stuff. Try the Beyond Burger. Take it with the Smith Tower for lunch, guys." Well, that would be great. - The tower has the burger, huh? - I do wanna try it there because I've done it at a few places now, like I said, but I haven't tried the Smith Tower burger. So Brad, we should do that when you're back. When you got a little free time, which that might be a while, but if you can squeeze in a lunch in the next few weeks, we should do that. That'd be pretty cool. I'd love to check that out. I haven't even been to Smith Tower yet either. So. - Looks like just for kind of clarification 'cause we talked about this a bit ago. Subway is number one in terms of franchise locations. - Really? - 42,998. - That sounds like bullshit to me. He said next week, that's great. book it man. McDonald's follows with 37,200. No way. Starbucks is next with 30,000. This is like 2019 numbers. What it says. That is that blows my mind. I thought for sure McDonald's would be. KFCs and fourth. Wow. Which it doesn't surprise me because KFC if you travel internationally they're freaking everywhere. Well McDonald's would be number one in terms of revenue I would think then. Yeah this is strictly on franchise locations. Just like number of locations. Right. Okay. And that's domestic also. That, or is that in the world? Okay, well, that's probably right, 'cause think about that. I mean, where would you put 42,000 locations in the US? That's like, well, you could though? I don't know, man. That's like less than 100 a state. I don't know. That's fascinating, I didn't know that. But the revenue on the revenue side, I think the sun's done washing out the video rain. It should be better now. Interesting stuff. Well, the coffee code in franchise cast. It's kind of interesting topic, actually. Well, I know McDonald's owns all the land that all the franchisees are. That's right. That's right. They're like, they are a top landowner. Yeah, they are the number one landowner in the world, I believe. Well, that's what I thought. I thought they were up there and I was looking into it a little bit and it seems like if they're not number one, they're among the top. There was some, I don't remember what else they were saying, but yes, like it's amazing. They're really a real estate company first and a restaurant second. And that's not how they're typically thought of. And they have a lot of primary estate, right? They're on corners everywhere. So in pretty prime location. They are. Yeah. And I know, I don't know what I was going to say. I just lost my train of thought. I was looking at Down here in Zach had made a comment about Jimmy Johnson's where it's at. I feel like the French house. Hmm. Firehouse. What is the firehouse? Oh, I don't know the firehouse. Firehouse subs? Oh, I've heard of them, but I don't think I've ever had one of those. Oh. What is it out? Is that like a quiz nose or something? Kind of. Well, Zach says, how does that work if McDonald's is in the airport? They don't, I don't think it's exclusively land owned. I know that they do lease some land. And matter of fact, in my neck of the woods in Omaha where I have that rental property, just a block to the north, there's a McDonald's on 40th over there by the, uh, by the gas station over there. And I know the guy that actually owns the land. And so they pay him a lease. They lease it from him. For a pretty penny, a guy actually does pretty well for just like sitting on a piece of land. So I think when they can buy they do, but if they can't then they want the location because it's desirable enough, then they'll just lease it out. I don't know. I'm just making shit up here, man. (laughing) - Yeah, I think we beat this topic to death here. So I think we maybe should move on. - Unless you got anything to add. - No, I'm good. - All right. - Sweet man. Yeah, we haven't heard a whole lot from you, man. Is there anything else you wanna tell us about? Anything you're excited about? Come up here or any interesting anecdotes about the airline industry in general? - There's a lot of stuff, but I'm not gonna say it online. - I'm just throwing you in the spot, right on the spot here. All right, very cool, man. Well, shall we move it along Kyle? How are we doing on time? I don't have a look of the time anymore. - Yeah, we got about a good 20 minutes here, or about 18 minutes. - 18 minute dose. - We're good to go. Do you wanna talk about what we're watching or reading? Maybe start with that? - Yeah, let's start with that. And I do. I'm reading some good stuff right now. So I had taken a hiatus from reading for a while. - Likewise, yeah. - I hadn't been doing a whole lot of that. I was binge watching me some back cracker videos on the old YouTube. We've talked plenty about that. Some really good stuff there. And then, no, but I started getting into some shows again. I'm watching a series right now on HBO called The Leftovers. It's an older series. It's a few years old now. it came out four or five years ago maybe. And the premise of it, if you're not familiar, is that in the first episode, there's some kind of catastrophic event that happens and two percent of the world's population just disappears. Oh, I think I've heard about this series before. Maybe told me about it. Yeah, there's, I think there's three seasons now that are out. I'm on the second season. I just started the second the other night. But yeah, effectively, People are, you know, driving or doing what they're doing. They're doing stuff. And then all of a sudden, 2% of the people are gone. And so cars are crashing and babies disappearing. And it's just they evaporate into thin air. And so it's a whole thing about like what happened. And yeah. So their body's disappear from-- They just are earth or whatever. But whatever they were doing or whatever they were interacting with continues. Right. It says it was. Yeah. And so there's this-- There's a big divide here between the town people because there's a group that don't want to remember. Everybody is grieving in their own ways, but then there's this group that is kind of a cult that doesn't want anyone to forget. So they do all kinds of shenanigans. They have their own little cult basically where they wear white and they don't talk to each other. They have to write notes to communicate back and forth and they all smoke cigarettes or chain smokers. Then they go into people's homes and take photographs out of the picture frames at night and do some weird shit. And so, yeah, it's a real, a dystopian kind of a series there. - And did you say this was on HBO or where was it? - Yeah, the leftovers is what's called. - The leftovers. - Yeah, uh-huh. So, yeah, I just got through the first season. It's kind of, it's pretty cool, man. It's a supernatural mystery drama. And it started, it came out in 2014. So, yeah, I'm enjoying it so far. It's a little weird, but kind of neat too. It's a little bit like, well, there's another one that I was watching that's still out there. What's the plane one? Manifest. It's a little different. Manifest is a new series that came out last year on one of the networks. I don't know if it's NBC or whatever, but it was a similar deal where this flight disappeared. And so to the people on the ground, the flight was gone for five years and they just presumed everyone was dead 'cause they couldn't find it kind of like a Malaysia, like the 370, MH370 flight, right? Nobody knew what happened, and so they kind of went on with their lives. People got remarried, like, da da da, and then like, but to the people on the plane, like there was no laps in time. So like they, they like land, and all of a sudden you off the plane, it's five years in the future, and people are not freaking out, like, whoa, what happened, how are you alive? What's going on? We've all moved on, a little different twist, but kind of a similar thing where people just disappear and then come back later. - Manifest, I'm not gonna look at that one up. That's not interesting too. - Yeah, that was a good one. - You recommend both of those? - I do, I really like manifest right now, but this leftovers ones, a little darker, it's kind of interesting 'cause they're, I mean, they're not, I don't think they're coming back. I'm pretty sure that's not part of the plan, so. Yeah, it's just kind of, how do you say it? It's one of those shows too that's not really trying to bring any satisfaction to the viewer at the end. So there's just a lot of stuff that happens. It's really shitty or unsolved. And so you know, it's not like, oh, there's a pretty boat at the end and everybody gets reunited and those happily ever after. It's a good show. - Very cool. That's on NBC as well. I just looked that one up real quick. - Right on. Thanks for checking that out. - So I'll make sure to put these into the notes as well. - Yeah. - Mr. Wyatt, what are you watching? Anything of interest? - Nothing new, just old chills reruns on the Netflix. - Oh nice, do they have all the cheers episodes on Netflix these days? - They do. - How many seasons were there? - I was just gonna ask that question too. - Seven, eight, nine, something like that. - That's a lot of norm, man, holy shit. - Oh, and it's great. - It's great. - Who's your favorite character? - Cliff, by a landslide. - Oh, Cliff Clayton. - Yep. - Cliff and then Woody. - Oh, Woody. - Yeah. (laughing) - You spend a lot of time on YouTube, but, right? - Everyone's a while I dabble. - Yeah, nothing specific, just kind of let it take you where it takes you. - Yeah, I'm good on YouTube. - All right, yeah. Well, I've been watching something that we've talked about, I think before or at least we've talked with Michelle here in the office about, and that's Chernobyl, the HBO mini-document series. I'm about two and a half episodes through that. - Really? I haven't started yet, I wanna hear about this. - Yeah, no, it's intense. It's very well done and I've learned a lot about the disaster that I had no clue about. And it's kind of eye-opening just about like arrogance, I guess you might say, right? Like the sheer arrogance of some of these people as maybe that's not factually accurate. Maybe this is all like made up for, you know, to make it more of a drama. - It seems to be spot on from what I hear though. It's a fairly accurate depiction, right? - Yeah, just like as the accident kind of starts to unfold and people start to kind of figure out pieces of the pie and that, oh, maybe the reactor did explode, right? For the longest time, none of them believe it. Like they will flat out say nope, that's impossible, it cannot happen. - Yeah. - And they'll be like you go down and walk to it and see it for yourself and then they'll come back and they're like radiation burned, right? 'Cause they've been standing out in the radiation, totally exposed and they'll come back and they're bloody and they're dying. - Wow. - And the guy will be like, "Nope, that's impossible. "Take him to the infirmary. "Somebody else go." And they just keep doing that over and over and over. - Shut up. - For like more than 24 hours. Like they just won't believe it. - No way. - So yeah, just like the arrogance of the guys is pretty fascinating. The other thing that I didn't know about is there's kind of three guys, and I don't have their names here, but they're kind of the heroes of the entire thing, which I didn't know this story. I don't know if you ever heard about this. - No. The initial explosion of the reactor is what caused the damage that we know today. But apparently they were pouring water on it to try and put out the fire. And all the water was draining into a coolant tank that's below the reactor, under the massive concrete pad. Okay. So they start pouring like I think it was borax and sand on top of the reactor to smother the fire. but it doesn't smother or doesn't stop the burning of the fuel. That's underneath it. And eventually that was going to burn through the pad, the concrete, and hit this water. And apparently when this water, when it would have hit this water, that would have created an explosion that was many, many, many times bigger than what initially exploded. Oh, shit. So it would have destroyed the additional reactors that are still there and were still running at the time. And would have basically made much of Europe and pretty much all of Russia and much of the area uninhabitable. Like it would have been a huge disaster. - Really? - So these three guys, they basically volunteered to dive into this radioactive water underneath the reactor and find the drains and drain the water. - No shit. - And so they basically went on a suicide mission to save, you know, - Whoa. - Like an eighth of the world probably. - Really? - Yeah. - And they had to do this. - And they're kind of unknown, you know, like you don't know their names, right? - Right, which is crazy. - I don't know anything about that. - No. - I need to get into it, and I keep making excuses. I wanna see it. I've made the excuse that I'm just not in the mood for that kind of a thing right now. - It is rough. It's a rough thing. You know, it's not a feel good thing at all. - Right, but I do need to make time to watch it, and because, you know, yeah, Michelle's been big on it, and she's gotten me excited about it, so I need to turn it on and watch it, and it's a huge topic right now. I was in Portland and I went to Paul Books. Of course in the bookstore they had a section like just for that type of stuff and they had various books on the incident and that sort of thing. So I should check it out while it's hot. - Yeah, it's bringing a ton of interest back to the site, right? - Yeah. - And people want to visit it now and people are doing stupid stuff now too and taking inappropriate pictures and just doing stupid stuff. - Wow. - And people are like, be respectful. is that, you know, tons of people died here, right? And also too, like this radiation, I mean, this shit lasts for like thousands, tens of thousands of years, like, like what, 20,000 years is the half life of this or something, isn't it? - Oh, it's amazing. - What the hell? - Yeah. - This is, you can't just like wipe that away. - Right. - Rain isn't gonna wash that out, man. Like, 20,000 years, that's insane. - Yeah, yeah, and I don't think they know. Like, I think if I'm not mistaken, the forecast or anywhere from like, they would say like, oh, it might last 500 years, or it might last like 20,000. - Really? - Like they don't really know. - Interesting. - Yeah. - Okay. - But other creatures are inhabiting the area, right? Like other animals are coming back. - Yeah. - So it's getting better. But the other crazy thing is like, I think it's called Perpietz. Is the name of the city that was closest to the reactor. - Mm-hmm. - And just, yeah, kind of the same thing you were talking about where people disappeared. They were in the middle of daily life, right? Doing whatever they're doing for the day and like all of a sudden the military rolls in and like just starts to run them on buses. So like whatever they were doing at the time, they just like if we were podcasting right now, - Yeah, it would remain here. All right, you didn't take anything. - That's bizarre. - So yeah, it's crazy just to put yourself in those in their shoes to think of what that would be like to just be uprooted immediately and never return to anything that you own. - I have to say this, and I don't know, we have a minute, a few minutes. Like not to go down this rabbit hole, but you made me think of something, and I've mentioned this to you maybe before, but like I was a student at Columbine at high school when the incident happened in '99, right? for 20 and I was in the building, but we had a very similar experience because when we evacuated the, you know, that we had not returned until later that summer. So like this happened April 20th, we evacuated the building, got out of there, and when we, then the SWAT team came through and the FBI and whoever was doing the investigation, they investigated. And I remember the time I was in a computer lab and I was in track and so I had like a Gatorade bottle that was kind of like my water bottle and I had that sitting on the desk next to the computer and had my backpack and whatever else I had like my pen and pencil or paper. And when we were, when we were allowed to go back in to get our possessions. - And how long, how many days had transpired or were we? - It was several months. I think it happened in June or July. Yeah. I don't remember exactly now, but I think it was maybe in July. It was still during summer recess that they cleared everything and the investigation wrapped up and we were allowed to go back into the building and so yeah, they kind of had this thing stage where we could come in and I went back into the room that I was in and it was fucking just eerie because everything was still there. Like the bottle was still there. The backpact has had a pink ribbon tied to it, basically meaning that they swept it for any kind of bombs or any materials and it was, you know, they scanned it. But it was the most eerie experience to even be gone for a few months and then be transported right back to that day and be like, holy shit man, nothing, they didn't lift a thing, right? This is a very strange experience. - Especially something like that, where you know tons of people are through there all the time. - Yeah. - And yeah, nothing changed in a span of months. - Yeah, and I didn't go down there in the cafeteria. I think at that point, they probably had cleaned up certain areas because that's where a lot of the incident occurred was down there and in the library. but I know for a fact, for weeks, like the lunch, you could see through the windows, like people that had long-range cameras and consuming and stuff, like all the lunches were still left on the table and all this shit. It was just a very eerie experience. - Yeah, that would be something to walk into, yeah. - So, yeah. - Side note, but it's just a very creepy thing. - Yeah, very similar experience. - Yeah. - So, very bizarre. - Right. But yeah, I would highly recommend, like I said, I'm two and a half episodes, and I think there's about six episodes in the series. So to your point, exactly like you said, it's something you definitely have to be in the mood for and be ready for because it's definitely pretty heavy. - Yeah. - But really, really well done. - Excellent man. We have about five minutes. - You wanna talk about this bad boy? - So we can highlight. - Yeah, let's go ahead. - We hold it up to the camera if you can see it. I don't know if it'll show up there. - So you got me kind of interested in this a little bit because you have another book that you're reading besides this one. And it kind of got me interested in thinking a little bit about I should kind of do a little bit more reading myself and So I'll let you talk about your book a little bit before we go down this rabbit hole, but yeah I'm getting into a little bit of For we'll get into this more later, but I've been on a kind of a leadership kick and more of a motivational Bentleyly and so trying to find some some materials to to go over and my good friend will fortune I'll give him a shout on the cast. He sent me this link to this book it's called Legacy and it's about he's a big rugby guy he's been he's he played rugby coaches rugby and rugby isn't a big part of his life and I know one thing about rugby it's like you know this South Africa New Zealand is like the big rivalry and New Zealand is arguably one of the most winning teams in all of sports history across anything. I mean, they have like something ridiculous like an 86% win ratio across their whole franchise. And they're just dominant. Is that the all blacks? The all blacks, yeah. The New Zealand all blacks. And so the book is called Legacy. What the all blacks can teach us about the business of life. And I just got started, but this is a really great book by James Kerr. And I'm getting into it. I mean right now it's very early on so I can't talk a whole lot about it But it talks a lot just about the small things that they do and so for an example like when they're traveling on the road And they show up and they're kind of in this locker room or this shit They said it was the shed you know, I don't know like that's just slaying or if they're actually in the fucking shed Like on the side of the facility or what but basically like they're they're in there at halftime kind of doing their The coaches are going over things and they're talking to them about what they're gonna do and before they go back out on the field The guys like the captain and a few of the other guys like they actually grab a broom they sweep up like all the bandages and all the stuff And they clean up after themselves and the whole thing for them is really about like doing the small things to really achieve a level of success it's about character development and And doing those small habits like that as a reminder of like hey like it's a character thing And so we're gonna go through and clean up after ourselves and we're gonna leave the place better than it was when we came in and so that was just one One scratch on the surface there, but I'm excited to see what the other Principles are and some of the other things that they do to make them successful champions. I love that I think that's a good point to and I think I live by that, you know, you're never too big to To do any of the work, right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, and I think that you know I hate this and I love it at the same time right on my Midwest guy and there's the Midwest work ethic right which is bullshit because everybody has a good work I think like you know anywhere in the world But you know, it's the same thing like you're not you're willing to get dirty and willing to get down and help people and That sort of thing and I think that's kind of what they're trying to get at. Yeah, that's right a great message Yeah, it's it's an attitude that you don't forget And you're never too big to do the to do the small things or to get your hands dirty. Yeah, yep Excellent. I'm gonna have to check out on that one Don't know how much time we have to talk about the dare to lead book and maybe maybe we hold on to that one and we kind of couple that with with the main topic here that we've punted now on in two weeks in a row. - Yeah, our leadership topic we're gonna talk about. - 'Cause that's exactly what that inspires, as well as your book, but. - Yeah, it does, but I like this, and all I'll say is that Brené, I'm a huge fan of Brené Brown during Great Lee. What's the other one? She's got a few. - Oh yeah, several in the same kind of vein. - But really just about vulnerability and some excited again to this one. This is a lot of the same themes pop up that I've heard from her Ted Talk and some of the other things, but this is geared towards like the corporate environment and business leadership. - I think this is an exciting time for you and me and we have this topic that we wanna talk about that we keep kind of punting on and leadership in general and what it does when you lose a leader in the organization. We have leadership books, so it's kind of a common thread and I think we're all kind of living it together and I think it's gonna be a pretty fun little ride and a lot of stuff to talk about here in the future. - Damn Skippy buddy. - Yeah, I love it. - We probably need to wrap it up. So you were pretty quiet. I feel bad about this. - Oh, that's all right. - Yeah? - He had a beer, he had some skittles. - He did. - You got a couple of margaritas. - A couple of margs. - Yeah. - Ooh, yeah. - I have a feeling it's gonna be continuing conversation with you though. I mean, we got you online and I'm glad you could come down here and I wanna hear more about some of your experiences because I was telling some people I saw Bully earlier and I was just mentioning that you were gonna be on and I said, you know, I think he's, He's got some really unique experiences that I really want to hear more about, just from your military time to your airline mechanics and whatnot. - You need could probably be the best way to put it. - Yeah, yeah. [laughs] Well, we had a good talk yesterday. We were grabbing beers after work and it was really nice to hear some of that stuff. So we'll have to bring some more stories onto the cast. - Yeah. Any final words before we close up? - Uh, thanks for having me. I'll try to make a bag out at some point. We'll be a free flight again though. That's all right, you'll be making the big bucks then, it's all good. Alright, well thanks everybody for listening. Our artwork is provided by Urne. 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