23: Erotic Photo Hunt

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And we're live.

This is the Coffee Code Cast Episode Number 23, live from Seattle.

Welcome to the Coffee Code Cast, a weekly live stream tech podcast

where we talk about neither code or copy.

I'm Mike Sheehan.

I'm with my co-host here.

And I'm Kyle Johnson.

Hey, brother, how you doing?

I'm good.

How are you?

Not too bad for a Wednesday night.

Hump day, man.

Heck, yeah.

After all the snow here in Seattle, it's good to be.

It's good to be in the office, which sounds weird.

Well, yeah.

It's kind of nice to get out of the house a little bit.

We survived Snowmageddon.

That was quite an interesting week and a half we've had there.

And we just want to welcome everybody tonight.

We are live casting our first episode.

Episode 23 is a special one for us

because we've got a new show format streaming on the YouTube.

Yeah, we're streaming streaming live.

We're also going to do the regular podcast

that we've always done.

So it'll appear in the feed just as always.

But if you want to listen to the show live unedited and interact with us,

this is a different way to consume the show.

And we're kind of excited to put it out there.

And you said, where do they go?

They go to coffeecodecast.com/live.

That's right.

www.coffeecodecast.com/live.

And that'll have the YouTube video stream as well as a link to the Slack

channel if you want to join the Slack channel.

And you can also hit us up.

There's a link on there to message us via Twitter as well.

So we're looking for anybody who has commentary during the show or anything like that.

We're here to take your questions.

And if not, then it's just normal cast.

I think this is going to be good for us though, because I've said this for a while.

I think that it's fun.

It's been for me and for us.

It's taken a lot of work for you to kind of do the post-production and put everything

together and get out there.

And I think this is a way that we can be more consistent with our episodes and not have

to worry about all the crap afterwards. Yeah, that's right. I think

originally we had to do quite a bit of editing work or I did rather. You did. I

didn't do any editing work. Post production. I just come in here. I'm you

know, I have a few beers. I have a few things to say and go about my way man.

Yeah, there was a fair amount of post production work which the hope here is

that with this new piece of equipment that we'll talk about here in a minute

that we can take this recording that we're doing live currently and pretty

much just package that up and put it up in the podcast feed and make it available pretty

quickly after the show. So that's really exciting as well.

Yeah, I think that sounds good, man. It's episode 23 and it's been probably about six

weeks since the last time we got on the air. It has been a while. There's been some travel

involved here. There's been some weather problems. Yeah, exactly. I mean, let's talk about that.

What were you doing? What have you been up to, man? Now, six weeks ago would have been

Like we recorded one right before the new year, right?

Like, we do one in January.

- It was just after the new year

'cause we talked about New Year's resolutions.

- Oh, that's right.

We had Bully on the show.

- That's right.

- That's right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we had done one early Jan with Bully over here

and it's been a little while.

- That's right.

And then I had to do a little bit of traveling

back to the Midwest recently,

kind of during the peak of the snow and the storms.

I'm getting kind of an interesting echo.

Really?

Like in my headphones, but it's not that big of a deal.

But anyway, I had to travel back to Iowa

due to a death in the family.

So it was there.

It was a pretty quick in and out trip.

Flew in, had to drive two and a half hours to my hometown,

stayed there for maybe 12 hours, and then it

was the return trip.

So three days in total, it was a pretty whirlwind trip.

And that's kind of what that was.

I wasn't back there.

Did you ever make it to Alvarado's, man?

It's not Alvarado's anymore, though.

abalardos, but for all the long time Midwestern folks there that love that Mexican food as

much as I do, it was alvarados.

That's right.

It's delicious.

It was good drunk food.

So, I have to tell you this.

This is funny.

We were talking about this recently.

Something came up.

Oh, I don't remember the context now, but somebody, I was having a conversation and they're like,

Oh man, I used to love going to this place

because they had a erotic photo hunt.

- Expand on that, I'm not familiar.

- No, no, you don't remember this about alvarados?

- No.

- Oh shit, dude.

Oh, that was like the best part about alvarados

is like, we would go there at 2 a.m.

'cause we're all, you know, been out all night

and we were ready for some good Mexican food.

And like the whole entertainment draw

was that like for a quarter you could play

like they had this little tabletop kind of TV thing.

and it was the erotic photo hunt.

And so it was like on a CRT TV,

and you'd put a quarter in,

and there'd be like 10 rounds or whatever it was.

And it was like, the screen was split in half, dude.

So the left half would be like,

a woman in some lingerie,

and whatever, she was like, some busty thing.

And then the right half of the screen

would be like a very similar photo,

but there'd be differences.

And you'd have to touch the differences.

So like maybe, maybe like her nipple was bigger on the one

screen than the other.

So you'd like tap the nipple because like it was a different

size.

I was unaware of this.

I was like, that's really how we got introduced to Alvarado is

they happen to have Mexican food there.

And we're like, well, we don't mind the Mexican food.

The erotic photo hunt is a lot of fun.

I wish I did know about that.

Now I really need to go.

But I thought it was funny because I was talking to

somebody here in the office in Seattle and they were mentioning

like, oh yeah, I went to this place and they had this fun

game of erotic photo hunting.

Oh my God, I gotta tell you this story about alvarados in Nebraska.

In Council Bluffs.

That's amazing.

Yeah.

So, you survived that.

You made the trek back to Midwest and you got back here okay and then you got snowed

in here for a while.

Yeah, we got a lot of snow here in Seattle for, it was even then major national news,

so we had, I don't know, what three or four days worth of pretty heavy snows for Seattle.

We got maybe what a foot of snow probably in total, maybe a little more depending upon

where you were, but that pretty much shut the city down.

And so I want to talk about that for a minute because like coming from

Midwest, I'm born in Chicago, born and you know, was really young when I left,

but I've been in the Midwest most of my life.

And I always had a hard time understanding like when you've been

in Seattle longer than I have.

And the thing that couldn't figure out is like, why the fuck does this

place shut down in the snow?

But the truth is, is that I get it now.

We don't have the infrastructure for it.

We don't have plows.

We don't have-- people were out there with their garden shovels

trying to clear snow off the driveway.

I don't have snow boots.

And so it makes sense to me now.

I didn't understand it at the time.

Like, how the hell do you guys--

three to six inches of snow was just

like another everyday occurrence to us back home.

But it's a very different thing here.

Well, to expand on that, I don't even own a--

Well, I don't own a snow shovel.

And I own my own home.

And we have sidewalks and driveways and the whole nine

yards to shovel.

So I spent a good portion of the three days

that we stayed home scooping my rather lengthy driveway

and walkways and so forth with basically what

is a garden shovel, like one that you would dig a hole with,

not scoop--

it's not a wide blade.

I'll put a photo of it in the show notes

so that people can see it.

This is like some kind of backyard,

like grabbing some dirt kind of shovel, not a--

Yeah, that you'd kick your foot down on

and get a good piece of dirt and throw it out

of the hole type of shovel.

So yeah, it took a long time, a lot of backbreaking work

that I didn't enjoy.

And you know what the good news is today, now

that we're kind of out of the woods, I guess, so to speak.

The shovel that I ordered from Amazon,

guess what, it showed up today.

So that's nice.

Of course.

Now that it bones dry outside and back to rain again.

Go figure.

Well, you'll hang that in your garage.

And I mean, this was the largest snowstorm

that we've experienced in what, 50 or 60 years?

I mean, 69 or something like that.

I think they did say something like that.

Yeah, I'm not totally certain what the length of time is,

but I still would advocate that the one in,

what was it, 2013?

Yeah.

That one was maybe worse in terms of ice, right?

This might have been the most snowfall,

but I feel like that was brutal compared to this one

in terms of ice.

That was the one that everybody goes on YouTube,

like Seattle winter or whatever,

and you see the buses going down the hill,

hitting cars left and right.

- Or the one hanging over I-5 on the freeway there,

kind of half on half over.

- Yes, yeah, that's right.

Was that, that was like a Greyhound bus or something?

- Yeah, I can't remember if it's a city bus

or a Greyhound bus, yeah.

- Well, Sarah was talking,

one of our coworkers was talking about that,

and she lived in Capitol Hill at the time,

and she's like, "Oh my God,

"that thing happened right in front of my house.

"I heard a big bang, I look outside,

"and there's a bus hanging halfway over the interstate here.

"It's crazy."

- Yeah, that was, I think I had moved here

just maybe that month or something like that.

It was one of my first introductions to Seattle snow.

So I'll see if I can find a picture of that too

and I'll put that in the show notes as well.

- Well, it's very real.

I mean, I thought it was funny and laughable,

but the thing is there's a story I heard recently too

about this, this kind of sums it up.

But like there was a school superintendent

that moved out here from Indiana.

And this might have been 2013,

it might have been around that time.

But anyway, like, you know, the night before,

snow's coming down, everybody's very excited,

and very much anticipating like a day off,

like a snow day the next day.

And so they wake up in the morning,

and every district anywhere in the vicinity is closed,

except for Seattle Public Schools.

And the way the story goes basically is that the,

this guy's from Indiana, he's new on the job,

he's out here in Seattle, and he gets a phone call

like 4.30 in the morning.

They're like, hey, you know, like, we got a situation,

like we've got like, you know, two to four inches

snow on the ground in Seattle, like we need to know if we should cancel. And he starts

laughing on the phone. He's like, Oh, fuck, are you kidding me? Like, I'll see you in

an hour and a half. And he didn't realize, you know, the limitations of being in Seattle

in a snowstorm. And so anyway, like, a couple hours later, he like stumbles into the fucking

school building. And he's like, cancel school now. Like, and he just didn't understand. And

I think that's kind of the deal. Like we just we just aren't equipped for that. And so it's

It's a big event and even walking home, I mean, I live down here now.

So like walking home was a big, I almost fell in my ass like six times,

just going seven blocks.

Like nobody shovels, everything's frozen, yada, yada, yada.

So.

Well, and it's the, yeah, exactly.

In the Midwest where we grew up, well, I guess Colorado is a little different story,

but in Iowa, it's pretty flat.

Everything's flat.

So there's, you know, you can handle the snow because you're just going on a flat

road everywhere you go.

So as long as you keep it under control, it's not a problem.

Whereas here, there's some pretty significant hills,

pretty serious hills in some cases,

like Queen Anne Hill, Capitol Hill,

all those types of areas, even my area,

going up over towards the water.

There's some pretty steep hills and they close them.

They close the roads completely

during these kinds of snowstorm events.

So it's a little bit of a different thing.

People like to make fun of us a little bit,

but it is a pretty crazy place to drive in winter storms.

- Yeah, or walk.

I mean, that's the thing.

There's nothing safe, it's just better to stay at home.

Even if you can do some Uber Eats,

I mean that's kind of how I knew it was a big deal.

Uber, 15 minute wait for Uber.

- I'm surprised there was any Uber on the road.

- I think there was like two guys in a four wheel drive.

- Getting surge pricing all day.

- Oh dude, they're a clean in house.

Like they were making money.

But everybody else was just indoors, staying in.

And I saw photos too, I mean that's the other thing.

I live downtown, downtown.

And so looking at some of the photos

from guys up in Capitol Hill in West Seattle.

They had some deep trench snow.

It wasn't just slush on the ground that was freezing,

but they had some real accumulation up there.

So pretty nasty shit.

- All right, let's move back to our show news.

We kind of digress there a little bit, which is fine.

But what were we talking about?

We were talking about new live show format.

We're gonna go ahead and try and record it weekly,

which has kind of been our goal

from all the way back when we started this,

but we're gonna try and do that.

Should be a little bit easier

with kind of the things we talked about

where the editing shouldn't be such a big pain in the ass.

- It gives you a little break, man.

Like you can just come in here with me,

we can have a couple beers and enjoy ourselves,

and then boom, we got a show.

- Yeah, I think that'll be good.

So we're also gonna try and do it at a standard time.

So we'll try and do it at 6 p.m. Pacific Standard Time.

not an Eastern for all of our East Coast friends, man.

That's kind of late.

They'll listen to us while they go into bed.

What could be better?

That's kind of a nice way to kind of end the day,

the copycode cast, man.

So what else we got?

We got a new website.

Yeah, man, thanks for doing this, by the way.

I wanted to tell you, you've always--

I gotta give you major props because you've really--

we have our own roles on the show,

things that we do well.

And I've gotten a lot of the equipment and done this

and done that.

But I mean, you're really the operations behind this show.

I mean, you got the website set up originally.

You've got the new website now, which I fucking love.

I think it's great.

We were using more of a syndicated website for a while

there.

And so it was a little tricky for us

to do some of the things we wanted to with some technical

things that we wanted to do.

And now we kind of have the freedom to do it the way

we want to do it.

So that was a really quick thing.

I think you set that up in like what, a record time,

like a day and a half?

You have the whole thing working pretty much?

- Yeah, it was pretty quick.

It was a pretty easy thing to do.

It gave us a lot more flexibility, like you said,

to do various things, some really basic things too,

like add URLs, custom URLs that we wanna use for instance.

This is one of them that we mentioned earlier,

www.coffeecocast.com/live.

That's a URL that we can add

which with our previous syndicated host,

we couldn't even do that.

So the website looks a lot better.

Functions a lot faster.

Does all the things that the previous one would do.

So it gives us a lot more flexibility

and makes it easier for us to publicize

some of these other things, right?

Like now you can also go to coffeecoocast.com/facebook,

and that's our Facebook page, or slash Twitter,

and that's our Twitter page, et cetera.

So or slash review, and that takes you to the iTunes page

and gives us--

Let's rate and review the podcast, which if you haven't done that already, I highly urge

you to go do that.

We need your reviews, guys.

I mean, we're trying to drum up some business here.

We've got a lot of equipment, a lot of high-end equipment here.

The bills are adding up.

The bills are adding up.

Go out there and give us a five-star review.

If you like the ride, give us five stars.

But yeah, I think the site's looking really good, man.

So thanks for that.

It's a good, clean look.

And we can customize the way we like it.

And now that we have this new format,

hopefully we can be out there on the regular getting stuff

out there.

And what I'm really excited about, too,

is that being able to be more consistent with the cast

and have more guests on.

I was downstairs at O'Fuels a little bit ago.

And Anderson is ready to get on the show.

So I think that's the next thing we've got to make happen.

One of the partners of the business,

we've been trying to get him on for a while.

I think now he's ready to get in here and talk to us a little bit on the cast.

I think we need to do that.

I think, yeah, I think, and then Pat had given us a message on Twitter asking if maybe that

was our big surprise if we were going to have some guests.

We will have some guests.

I mean, we should talk about that for a minute because we have a couple things, a couple

irons in the fire anyway.

We've got the 30 minutes with us cast, which is more of a, that's more irregular, right?

I mean, that's more of kind of a special feature type of a thing, right?

I would think I would, I don't know that we're going to do that on a consistent

basis, but I think it's kind of a neat idea.

Like we have someone with an interesting story that we want to cover

then bring them on.

Yeah, that one's a lot of fun, but it's also compared to the show even, even

when I was doing all the editing, that shows a lot of work.

Uh, because I mean, we had a lot of raw material when we did that show with Tim.

I mean, we had what like probably close to three hours worth of material, I would

say.

That's right.

Yep, and just trying to make sure all that kind of comes together and makes sense and editing out three people worth of, you know, talkovers and

licky sounds and all these different things that you got to edit out and adding music and the whole nine yards is just a very big process.

And in fact, I still haven't even gotten part two of that whole thing completed.

So it's a fun show and it's a very interesting show, but there's a lot of work involved in producing it.

I would go as far as to say that that is more of the this American life format of the podcast

for us.

You know, it takes a lot of background time like to figure out who you want to talk to,

what the story is about.

Like, it's a bigger process, whereas this can be a lot more ad hoc and we just get on here

and have fun and, you know, we're going to get Wayland in here and have some whiskey and

talk about some things and it just can be a lot more consistent.

And we're not going to have to put as much work into it.

It'll be a lot of fun.

Yeah, that's what this, well, we haven't talked about the particular pieces of equipment that we've acquired here that that banker over here required.

Well, let me tell you something, man, like, you know, it's been a rough go the last 18 months for me, as you know, but one thing that I like is that no management approval is required for these purchases.

So the line of credit is good over here, man.

That's good to hear, because I think you have aspirations for some other things, videos and all kinds of fun stuff.

Absolutely dude. So yeah, I think this is gonna be fun. I think it's be fun for us like because I think here

Here's my point of view on the whole thing is that like creating the content is

Priority it shouldn't be

A burden for you. I want you to be on here enjoying this thing. I'm enjoying this thing

We should be able to come in here and just have some fun for an hour and a half or whatever it is

Get in and get out and then move on and not have to worry about

Quinging it up or trying to polish it and I think the 30 minutes thing can be more of a

You know we can we can put a little more

Buff that out a little bit, but this is gonna be just kind of us in the raw having a good time

Yeah, I agree this that's what that's a whole idea behind this is it should be just a shoot in the shit for

30 minutes to an hour boom done publish. Yeah move on to the next thing. I like it. Absolutely dude. Absolutely

Speaking of the next thing what's the next thing on the agenda? Oh talk about your equipment before we move along

Yeah, I mean we're doing great on time by the way - I just want to point this out like we're not even at 20 minutes yet

I mean how many times have we gotten into this thing and we're in the weeds?

Getting crazy. I think this live format is gonna be good for us man. We're gonna be

Boom boom boom like just moving down the line

We'll talk about the new equipment first. I should uh crap. I don't have a real beer in front of me right now

So I'm gonna crack open a virtual Coors like how about that?

Oh, where did it go?

Oh, I'm still learning how to do this.

I've got to shove her up there.

Let's try it again.

Oh, there it is.

Oh, that's nice.

Crack me one of those.

Here you go.

Now we've got one of those for you too.

So this is a lot of fun.

I'm excited about this.

This is cool.

This is a new piece of equipment.

So we have been playing with a lot of different things.

The mics we've dialed in, the software we've dialed in,

the website's looking pretty good,

but on the recording front, we haven't had a great solution.

So we started out, what were we using before?

We were using Pro Tools for a little bit, I think.

- We started with Pro Tools, yeah.

And that, the, well, a couple things.

We started with the focus rights.

So we had two of those.

- Oh, for the hardware side, we had the focus rights.

That's right, yes.

- So we started with those and I had kind of a single

input device and you had a multiple input device.

And then we had the problem of having to try

and bring those two devices together using software.

And we elected to do that with Pro Tools initially,

which was pretty cumbersome and hard to set up.

And we had a lot of trouble.

And even your Mac, for instance,

was crashing a whole bunch.

- I don't know what the hell that was about.

I mean, this is a brand new Mac Pro,

32 gigs of Rambo, blah, blah, blah, blah,

but yeah, the thing would crash mid-show.

- Complaining that it was like overrunning a buffer

or something like that, which, yeah,

for that thing, it should not have happened.

It had plenty of horsepower.

- Yeah. - Yep.

So we kind of gave up on that and we decided, well,

we want one harmonious device that would take all the inputs.

So we have three mics at this point.

So it needs three XLR inputs with a possibility of a fourth.

And so we got-- last episode, we talked about the--

focused right.

What was it, 18i8?

We did, yeah.

That was the new piece of gear that we brought in the shop.

And that was the first episode, I think,

we recorded with it, wasn't it?

You're right.

Yep, so we used that for one episode.

And it actually did work well.

did the things that we wanted it to do.

And had it not been for the device that Mike has here

in front of him, we probably would continue to operate on it.

But this thing is a wonderful little machine, at least

so far.

Really excited about this.

And so this is from our friends at Rode.

They make the mic stands that we're

using for our Michael Jackson Thriller mics.

But they came out--

I think, Kyle, you found this thing probably around,

like, the holidays.

at least like the website link to it.

But this is the Rode Caster Pro.

And it's kind of a unique, first of its kind device

that's like an all-in-one for podcasters.

And so it's really cool, Rode Caster Pro.

But it's really, like, so this board is probably,

I don't know, like 12 by 16 by four.

I don't know, it's a nice size little mixer board.

So you've got your four inputs,

You can have four microphones in there, but it also has a USB.

It has a phone input, and it has a Bluetooth connection.

And so what's kind of fun for us is that if we want to take calls,

for example, like that was always a pain in the ass.

We couldn't really do it well, and getting that audio feed

into the system was difficult.

Now we can have four people in the studio.

We can have somebody dialing in on whatever, Skype, Slack,

and also pipe in a phone if someone wants to call the phone.

So I mean, we've got a lot of options.

We can have four, five, six, seven.

We could have seven people, eight people on the show

if we wanted to, man.

Kinda nuts.

- Yeah, and beyond that,

it has a big old record button on there,

so whenever we're ready to start the show,

boom, we just hit the record button.

It lights up bright red,

has enough, what do we have?

Four inputs.

- Yeah.

- XLR inputs.

We have a set of four, four, sorry,

Eight sound pads.

One of them was the Coors Light Sound

you had on there before.

(snaps fingers)

Yep.

- Oh yeah, that's on the Sound Pad number six right there.

- We got Bolly on there smoking the wacky weed.

I think that's the 11 or that's the yellow.

- Can I play that?

- Why not?

- You're gonna find out I smoked the wacky weed.

(laughs)

- I love that.

We're not gonna get rid of that one.

That's gonna be a good place over there.

- So yeah, it's just a sound effects board.

It's got, we can plug in all the sounds

that we want on each pad.

It's pretty wonderful.

Well, not only that.

Since we're not editing these tracks anymore,

we're worried about post-production.

We've got a 32 gig microSD in the back that we can plug in.

And just there's a big record button.

Boom, hit record.

All of a sudden, we've got a nice steady stream going there.

And you've piped it into OBS Studio on your laptops

so that we can get this thing up on YouTube.

That's right.

So we're streaming right now live to YouTube,

which is something new and pretty exciting.

And we hope that you guys will jump on that

if you're available to listen live.

And even more importantly or more exciting

is jumping into the Slack channel

or reaching out on Twitter or whatever it may be.

That'll make the show a lot of fun.

And you can kind of help drive the content

that we're talking about, which is even cooler.

- Yeah, I agree.

I hope to make the show more interactive.

We're gonna get people calling in.

It'd be great to have like David on here from Austin,

you know, get those guys in here and chime in.

So I think we got a lot of cool things we can be doing

coming up on the cast.

With that, I think we're gonna move over

to our next section here.

(upbeat music)

What's the show topics today, Kyle?

- Well, this week, actually I guess it was last week,

I was listening to a particular podcast

that I actually really enjoyed, generally speaking.

It's another tech podcast.

And their show is generally range anywhere from an hour to an hour and a half.

Maybe sometimes they even go up almost to two.

But in any event, they were talking about a number of different topics.

And every damn topic that they were talking about was something negative.

They were bitching about this, bitching about that.

It was about politics.

It was about tech that they didn't like.

And it was just, eventually I just was like ready to start sending a messages and

being like, dude, like, why did you publish this?

It was like so, such a downer.

I didn't even want to listen to it anymore.

- Uninspiring.

- I wouldn't even say, I mean, I wouldn't ever even say

that their podcast is inspiring in general.

It's kind of an opinion show on technical topics,

kind of like what we do, but yeah,

it was just a ton of negativity.

I mean, and there's three hosts on the show

and all of them were negative about various topics.

And I was just like, man, I don't understand number one,

why do you use the things that you're talking about

if they're such a problem for one, I guess.

But another instance of this is I wrote on here,

social media.

Media?

Media.

What the hell is that?

Is that another?

Social media.

So like, you know, you hear people leaving Twitter

all the time or leaving Facebook all the time

because it's too negative and they don't wanna see

political this or political that.

Yeah.

So, you know, I guess I just wanted to bring it up

and kind of find out like, what is it that,

What do you do to kind of be able to stay away from the negativity and keep your, I don't know, keep your state of mind to kind of clear and positive where there's all this negativity in the world because that particular day for whatever reason I was succumbing to negativity and it was really starting to bother me?

Well, it's a good question.

I mean, I think first and foremost that social media is still

a representation of the real world, the physical world

that we're in.

And so I think it's a mindset issue, right?

I mean, you can find people--

I can think of people in my immediate circle

that they're always focused on the negative.

Nothing's ever working, right?

Everything's wrong.

Like, I'm going to fucking lose it all tomorrow.

It's all going to hell.

And then there's other people that have the opposite mindset.

Oh my god, like a good thing happened today.

I think things are looking up.

So I think social media for me is a reflection of that.

I mean, I see a little bit of both all the time.

And it's, depending on your state of mind,

what you're-- if you're in that kind of negative space,

maybe you see more of that.

I don't know.

I just think that it's inevitable.

You can't get away from it.

I don't think getting away from social media is the solution.

But it's really about attitude and how

you present yourself and what you choose to tune into and what you just say, "Look,

I see it, but I'm going to let that flow by and discard it." There's just not a lot

of value in that for me.

I do a lot of that exactly what you described, letting it kind of flow on past. My wife likes

to comb social media and read through comments of different various things, which then you

get really into the negativity. She'll get fired up and start writing comments back.

And then of course those people fire back and then she just gets wound up and I'm just like,

"Don't, you know, stop.

Just quit doing it."

Like if you want to read the article, read the article, but like you're not going to

change anybody's mind.

So all you're going to do is get yourself worked up more than anything.

So that's what I try to do is just kind of, I wouldn't say avoid it because I think that's

also not a good policy.

Like I think putting your head in the sand and just being like, "Oh, this doesn't exist,"

is not the right answer either.

But I try to just read articles that I feel that need to be read and gather information

that I feel needs to be gathered, but I try not to inject myself into the political debate

that is social media at various times.

Or it may not be political, it may be religious or other various types of topics, but just

try to avoid those things, but still understand kind of what's going on in the world at large.

Well, I'll give you this.

thing about social media that is is different than real life is that people

have titanium balls on social media right that's true I think that's part of

the problem is that like the way that people treat each other on social media

like you'd never do that to a person face-to-face you know you wouldn't have

the the courage or the guts or the whatever like there's a human aspect of

it that's like look you know like we can be more respectful in person and so I

think that gets a little out of hand it gets a lot about it out of hand

Honestly online, so yeah, I tend to frown away from those things for one reason is like I have so many

Friends online now and it's such a diverse group of people that I have people on the far right

I have people in the far left and everywhere in between and it's family and it's just not a good forum

To have a political debate because it's gonna spark controversy with somebody and at the end of the day

It's just gonna be a shit show. It's not gonna be. Oh, it's gonna be what do we call that?

What a not a shit show a

a fecal, fecal tsunami. I'm going to give props to Brian.

There you go, Ackley. Yeah.

I heard that this week and I was like, God damn it.

Has a way with words.

Has a way with words. Yeah.

Fecal tsunami. But that's what's going to happen.

Like it's not it's not going to be productive.

It's not going to be a debate that goes anywhere.

And so for that reason, I try to avoid those types of things online, too.

But yeah, I think.

I think people are just way too mean to each other in that forum

or feel way too safe to just lash out and attack.

But so, going back to kind of the original question or the original topic here, like

how, so how do you avoid it? Do you just completely ignore those types of comments and just kind

of let them wash, wash over you? Or do you go with kind of the, I'm not gonna, I'm not

gonna see things that I don't want to see that are, you know, against my views or beliefs,

so I'm gonna unfollow you or unfriend you or whatever the case may be. Like how do you

avoid these things?

I don't typically avoid them, I just don't participate in them.

Like I'm not gonna unfollow somebody that

maybe has more political views on social media.

I will sometimes, for religious things,

just because of where I'm at personally,

like I just don't wanna see it.

If there's something that I'm strongly objecting to,

it's not worth arguing about,

and I'm not really that close to someone.

I mean that's the other thing too,

is that like how many fucking friends

do we have on this thing?

I mean like hundreds or thousands of friends

that like aren't really, can I give you an example?

I mean this kind of sucks.

This is a shitty example,

but it goes to demonstrate like the connectedness

on social media.

So my cousin recently passed a couple months ago

and it was a really tragic thing

and he was a young guy and he has a couple kids

And it was, you know, I mean, he was struggling, but it was still very unexpected how it happened

and that sort of thing.

And he had a birthday yesterday.

And you know, the response on his board was very, on his profile, was very surprising

to me.

Like there were a lot of people that didn't know about his passing.

And so like there's comments like, "Happy birthday, have an awesome day."

Like, "Oh man, like hope it's a great year."

And I'm thinking like this show is how disconnected we really are.

There's a major life event like that happens.

And for this guy's birthday, you get a reminder on your phone,

wish so-and-so a birthday, and then you do that,

and you don't even know what the fuck's going on.

So yeah, I think you've got to make your own decision about

where to engage.

There's certain areas that I don't want to get into.

And if we're so disconnected and I just don't want to see it,

I'm just going to unfollow or block or whatever.

But I'd rather save the real meaty shit for one-on-one

or in real person, real life.

- Right, yeah, and I'm the same way.

Same, I had a similar situation to you,

where I've had several actually,

'cause I'm the same way, I'm from the Midwest,

where generally beliefs are much, much different

than they are on the coasts, right?

So some of the stuff that I see some of my family arguing

about is definitely not in the same vein as my beliefs.

So it's sometimes very difficult not to get sucked

into those arguments or sucked into those debates.

But generally speaking, I look at them

and I usually will just kind of roll my eyes

and just keep on scrolling.

Get it off the screen as fast as you can,

get away from it as fast as you can.

And don't go down the road of,

I'm gonna delete my account on Facebook

'cause what did that really solve?

Not really anything.

So in the case of this,

I continued to listen to the show

and I will continue to listen to the show

but they even acknowledged in the show that it was negative.

So it was just one of those moments

where I was just like, good God,

Like how do you, people that constantly just look

at negativity all day long on social media or wherever it be.

I'm just like, I don't know how you do this.

- Well, it's easy to do that even in person.

I mean, you know, my late father,

I mean, I always hated going home to a degree

because of this is that like I haven't seen you

in six months or eight months or a year

and all of a sudden like you want to talk to me

about the injustices with, you know,

this corporation or the healthcare system.

And I'm like, man, I don't even know what you've been doing

in life for the last few months.

And so the time that we have together,

I just don't wanna do that.

Like I'm not saying that it's not relevant,

that it's not important,

that it's not something we should discuss,

but like tell me how the fuck you're doing.

And I think like some of these discussions,

like, you know, we don't even know how we're doing,

but we are so quick to wanna get into a big meaty debate

about some bullshit.

Another layer up, so I don't know.

Interesting.

- Yeah, well, let's move on to the next topic,

something that I think is near and dear to your heart.

- Oh, what's that?

- Oh, beers?

- Air-- - Airlight?

- Crack a beer, man.

Atta boy.

- Okay, I want it for you too.

(clinking)

I'm gonna drink 'em all.

- Mileage programs, airline mileage programs.

- Fuckin' A, dude, I love mileage program.

Well, I love one mileage program.

- Well, you're an Alaska guy.

- I am now, I'm gonna be huge.

MVP gold this year.

- This year, well, you have that status now.

I accrued that status at the end of 2018,

and I've got a lot of work to do if I

want to keep it up this year.

So you're really, really a big into this.

So you're the kind of type that does mileage runs

in the whole nine yards.

You're trying very specifically to get status.

I am now.

I mean, that wasn't how it started,

but it becomes that thing.

I mean, I think that's what they want you to do.

They gamify this thing in a way that they want--

we kind of talked earlier.

You get a couple upgrades, and you kind of like it up front.

You like it not early.

You like doing this.

Yeah, this year I'm off to a slower start,

but I've done a few things that are a little silly

just to get a few more miles.

- So what kind of led you into the Alaska arena

and trying to get status with them?

What specifically drew you into their program?

- Yeah, the whole thing really catapulted,

went full in on this when I was down in San Francisco

coming back to Seattle for work.

So at that point I realized, wow,

even just for coming back for meetings, I could get status.

And I could use them for a lot of other things.

They go to the Midwest, they go to Omaha, you know,

and many other places that I would travel.

So it made sense to me, like I'm gonna go all in

on this one program and just do it.

So yeah, that's kind of how it started.

It was just commuting for work.

And then I got the bug and I figured fuck it,

I'm just gonna see how far I can go.

I have a similar story in terms of that.

So we have, we've been Sky Miles members on Delta for quite a number of years actually,

I think maybe four or five years at this point.

Uh, and we were making quite a number of trips to Europe, uh, for the wedding and

scouting the wedding venue and different travels that we've done.

So I think three subsequent or three years in a row, we went to Europe for, for something.

Uh, so we were using their mileage program for that.

And then at some point we figured, well, shit, maybe what we should do is have the

Delta Sky Miles, AmEx card.

Right.

And so now we also apply pretty much everything we purchase through that and then pay that off every month

So it accrues miles at a very rapid rate

And gets us the spend that we need and then of course and we always also have to be getting the the qualification miles

As well, so we are Delta Gold this year

First time we've ever had status on on Delta, which has been has been tremendous

Like I said earlier in the show, we went back to Omaha and we had to fly Delta in this case because the Alaska flights were a little bit expensive last minute

So we flew through Minneapolis and then into Omaha so it was

Four total flights and I think of the four. I think we were upgraded three times one time to first class

so and same deal here I'm going to Denver next where this coming weekend and

got first-class upgrade on that and

And comfort plus on the return flight maybe first-class who knows nice so already getting the upgrades

I definitely see the benefits and it's super nice to fly first class. I can tell you that the legroom is amazing

I've never really flown like a super lengthy flight. I flew from Minneapolis to Omaha, which is like 40 minutes

The Denver one here is about two and a half hours. I think something like that

So that'll be a little bit more of the experience I guess but

No, it's it's it's a bug for sure

I mean like last year I was doing some international travel as well

And so Alaska has a really nice partner network as I'm sure Delta does and so I did a trip to Germany

Well, ultimately Barcelona through Frankfurt, but it was on Condor, which is a partner and so

had a fair sale running

upgraded the seats and

so we're up front on that and

You know you do something like that and you can get sass on one trip and so that's kind of where the whole thing started and

Since then yeah, I mean same thing having said having gold status this year like getting up in first class a few times

I had a few trips already this year that I've gotten bumped into went to Sacramento last month and boom got upgraded to there

So, you know, it's it's is it practical people always ask me like, you know

Everybody wants to argue with me all the time about the the financials around it or like oh my god

But did you do the math and I was like, you know what? It's not a I don't personally don't give a shit about that at this point

it's just

a pleasant experience.

It's a conversation starter.

I mean, a lot of people are curious about it.

I've had a lot of conversations about it.

And it's a fun thing to do.

So I don't know what I'll do this year.

I'm not dead set on hitting a particular status,

but it is a lot of fun.

And I'm doing the lounge thing, too, which is great.

And I don't know.

I'm going to Denver this weekend, too.

I'm going to miss you.

I don't know if I'll see you there,

but I'll be in the Alaska Lounge tomorrow,

having some Minestrone soup.

I got like, I gotta eat like 84 bowls of Minestrone soup

to like make the lounge payout work.

But I think I can do that.

- Well, and I think for somebody in your situation too,

a single man, you're gonna get the bump up to first class

over a lot of people.

You know, if there's couples flying or whatever,

they're gonna be passed over.

That's generally, you're dropped back in the line

as a couple.

So like as a single person that's flying

and has gold status, like you should,

You should get upgraded quite frequently, which is obviously

a good bonus for you and makes a lot of sense in that case.

So yeah, it's good.

And I'm doing the elastic card.

I mean, Delta is interesting because you have this kind

of dual--

you have a couple of pathways to get there, right?

Like, you were saying that you can qualify on a spend.

Your MQMs, you get a spend.

You have to hit on your card, right?

You have to do both.

Oh, you do both.

OK.

So you have to-- well, there's three different things.

There's MQMs.

There's MQDs, which I think is something to do with being spent on the airline or minimum qualifying dollars

Okay, and I think that has to do with like purchases of airline tickets and purchases on the flights and stuff like that

I think okay, I'm not I'm not totally certain on that and we don't get like any of those so our

qualification is purely through credit card spend and

through

Qualification miles so we have to hit two of those three to get the status. Yeah

And I mean Alaska is similar but different the way they work with the credit card is that you've got your bank of miles that are just for

Future travel so I could I have a nice bank of miles from my spending that I can use towards future flights

As you guys do and then the other but really like to qualify for status. It's either

You know miles flown directly on Alaska or its miles flown on a partner

And though and those go up so I mean you got to do more partner miles if you want to get status

And I think the third way is segments segments is hard. I

Suppose you could do that if you are traveling all the time short distance

Maybe that would be the benefit for you if you're going from here to Yakima or you're just in the Northwest all the time

Then you know, okay fine. I'll go to Portland or if I'm going to Denver

Maybe I'll go to Portland first and then Denver or something but

You know, that's a lot of work. Yeah

Is that deal with connections then? Is that what they're trying to get you to do is take take

Something that has multiple stops. I don't know if that's an incentive. I mean, I don't know why they'd want you

Spending more time on their airplane

I would think that would be to their benefit to get you off the damn thing quicker

I would think that too, but when we were flying to Omaha

we had I was trying to find kind of the easiest and quickest way to get there and

For whatever reason what was the deal?

Anyway, I was trying to find out the ticket price between going from Seattle to Minneapolis to Omaha versus

Seattle to Minneapolis and driving from Minneapolis, which

Because of where I live kind of works out about the same whether you go to Minneapolis or Omaha

But the cost of the flight

Was more expensive to terminate in Minneapolis than it was to terminate in Omaha. So in other words, they

Cheapened it to put us on another plane in flased Omaha, which doesn't make sense to me. I don't really understand why that would be beneficial, but

Yeah, I don't understand how those models work. They're not very intuitive sometimes

So it's a good question. I really don't know

And there's other weird things too. We're like, you know, like the thing that I don't understand it's gotta be

somewhat a supply and demand scenario because I

You know, I can go to new I can go to JFK

Or for you know, $300 on Alaska right now, but I would spend $800 going to Omaha

So I don't know it's just like that's frustrating to me because it's always been that way. It's always been

Ridiculous going to the Midwest

But I can go

You know to the far reaches of the US or even in to Cabo for cheaper than that or Europe even maybe less flights

I suppose so yeah, I'm sure that all plays a role in that

But I love the mileage program dude. I'm a big fan. I

Like being a part of that whole thing. I like seeing what I can do and

Alaska does a great job here. You can go fucking everywhere. I'm Alaska

I wish I was in the program in the earlier days because I think the win-win would have been when Delta was a partner

That was like two years ago. They ended that thing, but I mean if you were if you were a

Frequent flyer on Alaska you would have gotten status with Delta vice versa. That's a pretty sweet deal

That would have been great because those are the two two airlines that I fly predominantly

I don't really fly anybody else and those guys are going you know

You're going to France Paris and whatever else like you can fly those guys. Yeah big mileage runs. Yep big big runs

You big boy big money. Yep. So yeah, we'll see I got Denver coming up. I'm gonna go to spring training

in March I

Don't have a big mileage run planned yet. I mean I was talking about maybe going to the

World Rugby Cup in Japan

Maybe going somewhere, you know

Hine and Airlines

Goes to China and you can get deals on there sometimes the thing you gotta be careful about now though is that they've really they've readjusted their fare classes

and so

You're not guaranteed to get a hundred percent of miles on every fare class

Like if you get for example if you get an economy rate on Hine and Airlines, you might only get like 60% of the

Actual miles flown towards your status because that's a partner airline

It's not even that it's even like Alaska now has that saver fare

I think you get full miles on that but you're not going to get seed upgrades and that shit

So like you just have to be careful now. They're getting they're doing all these things to try to really

Appeal to a broader audience and so it's not all one-for-one anymore like there's certain things you don't get yeah

Delta has the same thing

I think they call it main cabin or something like that and yeah if you if you get that ticket

Which is the cheapest possible ticket?

They won't give you any upgrades just even regardless of whatever status you have like whereas

Normally if you got a typical cheap ticket they would upgrade you to at least comfort plus which is kind of their middle

Middle tier a little extra leg room type of type of deal, but yeah, they won't even give you that

so all right man, well should we um

Get out of the topics here and move on to the next topic

We're doing great on time by the way buddy well we're professionals we've done this the time or two

Let's talk about a dark mode in iOS 13 is being rumored. So this is a

Focus that article from 9 to 5 Mac and it's a article discussing that

Dark mode which I know you're a huge fan of in all respects love dark mode will be coming to iOS in iOS 13

So currently in iOS 13 or sorry in iOS pretty much dark mode is non-existent unless the app

developer implements it, which a lot of them have, but they aren't consistent, obviously,

and they can do different things where, you know, some of them will auto flip from day to night mode

and that sort of thing. So this would be a, an OS wide dark mode. There's not a whole lot

known about it. This is just a rumor from nine to five Mac that they are reporting on. But I think

I would be a huge fan of this because dark mode for me is something that I use on any app that

pretty much supports it. So having it native would be fantastic. And I love what they did in

macOS. Is it Mojave now? Yes. With the dark mode. It's fantastic. So this is something that I really

hope that does come true. And I don't even, when is the keynotes? It's late in the year, I believe,

right? I don't know. I mean, they don't they have, they have a thing at Moscone Center? Well,

Well, I think that's usually they'll announce things there

and then they'll release them, I think, later in the year.

But in any event, some of the cool things

that this would be able to enable, right,

is because many of the new iPhones now,

with the exception of, I think, the XR, are OLED.

So if you have a dark mode,

then you can basically turn off most of the screen, right?

It becomes an energy thing.

That's right, exactly, because you have kind of what they

call true black on the OLED.

So you can just turn it off

and then only light up the pixels that are what you want to see.

So a good example of this would be like reading a book, right?

You would only light up the characters of the book itself,

and then the rest of the screen would actually just be off.

So saving your battery, giving you a better lifetime

of the battery on the device.

So I think, personally, I think this would be amazing

if this does come true.

You got to really appreciate how things come full circle.

And we probably talked about this or touched on this before.

But you think back to like Apple IIe,

think of back to the old days, Lanacro monitor. That's how it was, man. Like you had a black

background, pixels off, and then you had whatever, like your green, you know, command line prompt,

or organ trail and fucking green and then in color eventually. But it's just funny to me,

like that was something that was just out of the box 30 years ago. And now it's a feature

that's coming out in iOS 13. Well, and it's interesting too that that some of the apps that

Apple's had forever on the iPhone platform have had dark mode implemented in them for

a very, very long time.

They have, yeah.

So it's kind of surprising that it took them this long to implement it on an OS-wide setting.

So you're right about that.

That was a big deal with Mojave because Xcode, their latest release, had a dark mode.

Oh, I didn't know that.

I never heard about that.

Yeah.

it as part of Mojave. And not only that, but I do like how they do this like

kind of progressive thing. So the background now of the whatever it is

that sand hill that they have, the sand dunes, changes color as the sun's moving

during the day. That's really cool actually. I mean it's a simple little

thing, but it's very cool to see that happen. The thing that I think also is

interesting about this a little bit is that the Mac was the first thing to

adopt this, which lately the Mac has not been kind of a first-class citizen in the Apple

ecosystem. It's been all about iOS and Apple Watch and those types of platforms and it's

interesting that they moved it or executed on that first. And then they're bringing now

supposedly to iOS 13. But the other piece that's interesting about that is the possibility

that they're moving the iOS apps onto the Mac as well. So there might be some kind of

energy that needs to happen there. What do they call those?

Like universal apps type of.

Yeah, they have a specific name for them, but it might be a prerequisite that they

had to have to support that on Mojave before they could make this happen with

iOS or vice versa, right? So I don't know. It's cool feature.

I'm excited to see it. I don't know that I have a whole lot more to say about it,

but I definitely appreciate dark modes.

I love the dark mode. I mean, I don't have any lamps on my desk.

I just have my curved monitor is my backlight.

And this beautiful road Caster Pro

and all of its colored LEDs.

- I'll tell you what, when I walk by your office

and this thing's all lit up,

it looks like a damn rave in there.

- Oh, it's crazy.

I mean, there's all kinds of colors in here.

We can customize all this shit,

but yeah, you got blue lights for the inputs.

You got the red light over there

and you got the whole sound board,

which is lit up and all kinds of shit.

It's fun.

It's a little rave box for your podcast.

- Moving on from iOS, let's talk about Sonos.

my favorite product in the world.

- You don't like this shit at all.

What are you talking about?

- Well, according to nine to five,

Max Sonos is reportedly planning to launch

its own set of headphones.

- Really?

Why haven't they done this already?

They've been getting into sound for,

been doing this for a long time.

- I'd be curious to know,

so you're saying why haven't they done this already?

Like, what would you,

why would you expect them to get into this space?

- I have ideas of what they could do,

and I don't know if this sounds ridiculous,

but I think it could be a lot of fun.

But think about you already have the Sonos ecosystem

in your home, so you got the sound bar for your TV,

and you've got the speaker in the bedroom,

the speaker in the living room.

What if you're working on your computer

and you wanna have something on your headphones,

then maybe you're streaming to another room.

To me, it's just a natural extension

of the product itself.

So maybe you wanna listen to the TV

while somebody else has something on in the living room,

and you can do that just by a tap of a button

on the software.

- Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know, I don't feel like this is a smart play from them.

I feel like the headphone space is already full.

There's a lot of players that do very, very good work

in the headphone space, right?

That make very premium headphones that do them already

with whatever, name your flavor of computer helper built in.

- I think so, but I think there's the bigger brand loyalty.

I mean, think about how many people are big on beats.

And we all know, like from an audiophile's perspective,

beats are not a great investment.

But how many of those things fly off the shelves, right?

- But I think, I don't know,

I feel like that's a hard argument to make too,

because Sonos' brand loyalty is to its home products,

not to a set of headphones.

Like, yeah, it's a new product from Sonos,

but I just feel like they're stepping out of what they're

known for and what they kind of are.

It'd be like, it's kind of like Apple, right?

Like Apple is, well, I guess they've done kind of the same thing.

They went from computers to buying beats to buying, to creating the home pod to who knows what else.

Like they're kind of all over the place as well.

But I don't know, it just seems like a weird, when they went, here's another thing is Sonos is missing key products from their lineup, right?

They're missing outdoor speakers, right?

Yeah, I would agree with that.

They're missing stuff like, I don't know how another good example, but outdoor speakers is a huge one and people ask for it all the time.

And they haven't delivered they claim they're going to but they haven't delivered on that so like personally

I would love to see them

Execute on those types of plans before they start working on something that I don't really feel like people are asking for

It could be the case I would I would agree with you

I think there's probably other areas that they could fill the gap

I I think though they'll probably be successful just because there are enough people that like what they have going already that are

familiar with it and just say well geez I already have a Sonos XYZ why not just get

the headphones too. You know I don't know much about the product so it's hard to

say at this point what it is but as far as quality like I'm not particularly the

target market for this thing but I could see a lot of people that already are

familiar with it that would say well fuck yeah I already like this stuff so I'm

gonna get that or the other thing I guess that might be kind of cool is if

If they were built-in wireless, let's say, like Wi-Fi rather.

So here's a good example is if I'm running around the house--

yes, I have Sonos-- kind of through most of the house.

So usually I can just say, hey, play it everywhere

and listen everywhere.

But sometimes somebody's using something

in one of the rooms or whatever.

So then I could put the headphones on,

say, play to my wireless whatever headphones

and walk around without having to have my phone attached, which

is kind of one of the big features that they have.

So the speakers themselves are actual players.

So they are actually playing Spotify

or whatever it is you're playing in the device

rather than from your phone.

So like you could walk away from your phone,

walk up upstairs, downstairs, whatever you wouldn't lose

your connection to your Bluetooth

or whatever you were doing.

So that could be a valuable thing,

but still it feels very niche to me

and I don't really know what the,

I don't know if there's that much of a demand for that.

- I'll say this much.

I think the bigger opportunity would be outdoor speakers.

I would agree.

I think they would sell a ton of those.

- I think that'd be hugely popular.

Even when I was back in the AV business,

like that was always, well, I mean,

we were doing stuff the old fashioned way, hardwired,

but they're putting it into rocks

and all kinds of cool shit like that.

Like I think they could run away with,

how do you make Sonos fit into your garden

or in your backyard and all that kind of stuff.

And you could have the same speaker

that's packaged into 10 different things.

It could be in a planter or whatever,

and it's wireless Bluetooth kind of a thing.

to be a pretty appealing option for a lot of people.

- Just make like a speaker and then kind of like a skin

or whatever, right?

- Right.

- It almost reminds me of like the dock

or something from the iPhone that you know,

there's a million different ways the dock can be built, right?

- Right.

- Millions of different dock options,

but they all have the same interface.

So.

- Exactly.

- Yep.

So speaking of Sonos,

there's been a really cool project that I told you about

or I sent you a link to that I just wanted to bring up

quickly that I thought was really cool. And it's a DIY project that this particular fella

did. And it's these nine photo cubes, really, is what they are, kind of acrylic photo cubes.

And he has them on a tray that's built in with an RFID chip. So inside of each of these

cubes on each side, they have an RFID sticker. And each of those stickers then corresponds

to a playlist he has on Spotify. So as he puts these cubes one you know face down in

this other this one other area the RFID tag will pick up what playlist he wants to play

and immediately trigger Sonos to start playing that playlist. That's pretty cool and I saw

the video I love what he did there man that is so neat. It's really neat like it's for

those of you that are familiar back in the day with you know CD jewel cases like that's

where he got his inspiration from he originally wanted to just stick RFID tags in old CD

jewel cases and like put those on something and that would start playing. And then he's like,

well, if you have a cube, now you have six in one small package, and you just rotate it and

put it down. So it's really, really cool. I'll put a link in the show notes to this. I've started

kind of playing around with it on my own. I haven't decided if I want to try and build the same thing,

but I really, really like it. I think it's a, there's something about like the tangible, the

physical, right? It's kind of the way records are now. Like people want the

physical thing. So this kind of gives you the physical interface to

like digital music to what Sonos is digital music platform. I think there

is something really nostalgic about having that analog with the digital, you

know, it's familiar, it's fun, it's interactive, you can grab it, hold on to

it. And the fact that you can link it in with something like the Sonos and with

playlists. I think that's just kind of a neat combination.

Agreed. Yeah, so the thing that scares me the most about it, and I talked to you

earlier, is I've never worked with like breadboards and

plug-in things into those and that sort of thing. So the electronics portion of

it would be the most difficult for me. The other portion would be fabrication.

So he did have, he used a 3D modeling software,

and that's how he created the little tray. So he sent it off to a company

and they laser cut it out.

And I would want to modify it a little bit

'cause he had nine cubes and when you figure nine times six,

that's a shitload of different playlists.

- It's a lot of, yes it is.

- Yes, so I would probably only want to do four

if I was gonna do it and that still gives you

quite a lot to fill in and it'll make the tray

a little smaller but that means that now I need to modify

a 3D model and get that printed

and deal with the electronics and all that sort of.

So there's a lot to do and a lot to figure out

in areas that I'm not an expert in.

So still haven't decided that I want to do it,

but I really love the idea.

- Well, I'm glad you brought it up.

I enjoyed the video and I've done a little electronic work.

So I told you, I'd jump in on this with you.

I think it'd be kind of fun and a neat thing to do.

Maybe we can find our own type of experiment

that we want to do along those lines.

That'd be cool too.

- Yeah.

- Well, I can't believe it,

but we've already hit the first hour

of our first live cast.

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