41: Backpack Search

 Yeah, I don't know. I'm pretty happy with it. I need a little more time with it. Still, I brought it to the gym a little bit There's some things I like some things I haven't figured out yet, but overall I don't regret the purchase and I have been working out more as a result of that and I think there's probably a honeymoon phase associated with getting a fit bet or any kind of Health watch smart watch kind of a thing, but I've definitely noticed a trend where I've been getting more steps in like getting up Take more breaks standing up going to the gym. That's where the thing is - I think the challenge, I think is interesting too. Just playing around, I hooked up the challenge functionality in the Apple Watch. I didn't even know how it worked. He went ahead and accepted the challenge, and so now there's a little competitive edge in there too, so you can see me versus him in terms of points. And so yeah, we get a little bit of that competitive edge in there too to move in a little more. - Although I found you out pretty early in the competition trying to cheat. Using multiple apps to double log your points there, huh? - Well, my sister would call that reasonable cheating. - Reasonable cheating. Where is Lexan? She's not on here right now. - No, I think she's watching. - Okay, very good. - Yeah, let's move on, shall we? - Reasonable cheating. No, you want to move quickly there. That was a quick transition. We're getting ready to hit the button. I think it's worth letting everybody know, man. We're having this weekly competition, and you're like beating me on points. I'm trying to figure out what the hell you're doing. And as it turns out, you're getting what, double credit for riding your bike to work? - Well, we don't know that that's the case. I mean, I'm definitely moving more than you. We counted steps in flights of stairs. And this is sort of-- - I think this is legit. [Music] Welcome back everybody to episode 41 of the coffee and code cast. We're excited to be here on the Podcast that talks about neither coffee or code I'm Kyle Johnson. Hey buddy. There you go. Yeah, I almost forgot the good line there. What's your name? Say hello to everybody And I'm like she hands it down the podcast. We covered the latest on the war for Collaboration Microsoft is on the move and And speed up your iPhone by putting it on ice, really. Interesting. Finally, our topic today is packing for travel. We look at the latest gear from dot-backs to TSA approved carry-ons for your next mileage run. Welcome back, everybody. Is that all we got to talk about today? Well, you got to keep them in suspense a little bit. Those are some of the highlights. Excellent day. Welcome back, everybody. Thanks for joining us today on an early edition of the coffee code cast another Tuesday airing. - Yeah, sorry about that. - Mike said not a town tomorrow. - I'm doing another mileage run to Sacramento tomorrow. - Weren't related mileage run. - Work related, just a date trip. - Yeah, just a quick out and back. - So traveling a little bit, so we decided to do it a day early, get it in the can. - But I think that's okay though, you know, it's better than cancellation, right? Which is what we used to do. I mean, we would just put it off till next week. - We got a lot to talk about too. We couldn't have canceled. This is probably the biggest show notes I think I've ever seen in the history of our show. I'm proud, man, I'm proud of the work that went into this. I gave you a lot of credit because you did a lot of work on this week here. I don't know about that. This looks pretty good. Chuck full of good stuff. Well, I'll tell you what the trend is here too, is this was a big, well maybe not a big spend week, but I would say combined, we both made some pretty significant purchases, or not big money purchases, but I think there's got to be a correlation between the length of the show notes and how much money was spent on shit. - No, it's not. - Yeah, I think you're correct about this. (laughing) Or how much travel is happening. - Yeah, that's right. Like if there's more travel or more purchases, the show notes just get really big. - That's right. - Yeah. - Otherwise it's kind of a boring news week. There's not much to talk about. - Yeah. Well speaking of travel, let's jump right into it. I wanted to give a quick shout out to friend of the show. You've met him a couple times. I've known him for a lot of years. Andrew Woods. - Woods, dude. - Yeah man, we wanted to have him on, have him on the show and talk about some code related stuff. He's a big PHP guy. I think we've talked about him on the show even before. Woods is interested in coming on the show. We haven't had a chance to get him on live yet. But he's going to be traveling. Well, moving. Permanently. Yeah. He's moving to NYC. That's exciting. We're going to have hopefully get him on the show later on sometime later this year, maybe while he's settled in NYC. We can bring him on via phone or something. I think it'd be an interesting chat. I met Woods through you at one of your house parties or something like that a while ago. How did you guys meet? the story there. How did we met through a bunch of other mutual friends. So kind of the, I guess the only person, well, Rod Rigo, you know, Rod Rigo. Rod Rigo, I do. He's a friend of a mutual friend of Rod Rigo, kind of the Jeff Croft group. Do you remember back in those days? Yeah, I didn't really socialize with Croft. I think that was before I talked about him. You knew of him. I knew of him. Yeah. Yeah. He was friends with that kind of group. So that's how I met him way back in the day. And then we actually did a lot of running together. Okay, great. When I used to live down in the Belltown area here in Seattle. And then we've lost touch a little bit, but we still, you know, Thanksgiving we always invited him over and he would always come over. It was a good time. Nice. So yeah. Good dude. I'm really excited for him. I've been following him on Twitter recently in the last few weeks getting ready for the move and he just seems super excited for the new things that are happening and and he leaves tomorrow. So we wish him well. And I told him selfishly I'm kind of excited to have somebody in the New York City area that I can come crash and you know show me around when I get out there Because I've not been there yet, so that's on the You've never been to NYC. Nope top on my list. Oh top on my list with all your miles and mileage runs I've done a lot of miles and I've been to a lot of places and I've been a Global traveler, but I've not been to the East Coast of the United States very much So yeah, that's one place that I would love to get to maybe even this year I'm planning on a trip to I'm doing a Seahawks pilgrimage There's like a group of guys that go every year to see a Seahawks game away game and this year we're gonna go see This will be my first time joining but it's gonna be in Pittsburgh a Steelers game in September so I'm planning a mileage run through JFK Because I want to check out the new TWA hotel that was opened up in the TWA. Yeah, have you heard about that? No, so this was like I think it was on the original site of like the TWA terminal at JFK before and And I don't know the specifics of the designer, but it's a very awesome 60s kind of mid-century modern type of a thing. And they redid the entire hotel in that spirit. It was kind of like a restoration from the 60s. I throw back to the old days and the old terminal. And the lobby looks like, you know, it's got the old clacker board and all that kind of stuff. - Here we go. We're talking East Coast and we got the Gomer. He's an East Coast, he's a Pittsburgh fan. - Oh buddy. - He's an aviation guy, so this is right up his alley. - You can take your terrible towel and shove it somewhere in my bag. (laughing) Just kidding, go where we like you on the show. Thanks for checking in, man. We'll have a little fun, friendly rivalry. - The gomer saying we have a loose input or something that sounds kind of bad, maybe. - Is it coming from Kyle or me? - I don't know. - Let me go check the video recording over here. - Go mess with some of the cabling over there. And I'm gonna open Slack because I don't see any of this chatter you're talking about. Oh, I hear something going on over there. It's probably that guy, huh? Could be right here. There it is. I bet it was this one. I bet it was that one. It wasn't pushed in all the way. Does that sound better now? - Technical difficulties. - East Coast, best coast. - Yeah, boy. - Yeah. - That's right. - All right. - That's the story out here. - Andrew Woods. - East Coast. - Good luck. - Andrew in the NYC, buddy. - That just doesn't sound the same as West Coast, best coast. - Does not. because West Coast is the best coast. - It's a little better that way. You guys probably have better bagels though, so I'm cool with that. There's some things are better on these coasts. - Yeah. - Hey, all right, very good. So yeah, I wish you well, Andrew, we'll get you on the show pretty soon. Zack says that sounds a little better now. So sorry about that, I forgot to plug that one in all the way. - You have trouble with that every now and again. - Well, I did. - Hey, no, you know, everybody has their thing. I did that before, I had a couple of beverages, so I kind of blame it on that. - You're kind of technically challenged sometimes. - Yeah, I need to. - Sometimes I just need a little bit to get over the hump and then everything's good, man. Let's move on to some new purchases here. You got a new purchase, how many to talk about? - Right here, buddy. - Right there. - There you go. See if I can swipe, there you go. You got the old Apple Watch. - Excellent. - I finally caved in on the Apple Watch, and it was really about a health and fitness decision that I made recently the last few weeks. Karen says no volume, but I think, okay, I don't know if that might have been old. That might have been an old message. - Hopefully. - 'Cause we just fixed a few things over there. If that continues to persist, please let us know. Yeah, so I think I'd mentioned like sometime in June, I was applying for some new insurance and I had to get blood work done in order to get the best rates or like to determine the rate. And so I did some blood work and it came back and it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't great. And it was kind of like not surprising either that I had a few levels that were off-kilter, you know? Like I've been eating some, you know, not the best food and you know, been party in a little too hard maybe the last year and a half and so like I wanted to kind of get some things in check and start to rain it in a little bit and I love my watches. I mean I have a few different watches now I started to get a little collection of watches but I really had no insight into my daily activities and I liked the idea of Fitbit and Apple Watch just didn't really want to have to only wear that. But I kind of got over it and said fuck it I'm just going to get one and just for a little bit, try it out and see how it goes and see how my activities increase over time. And so, yeah, I think the other day decided to pull the trigger and got myself an Apple Watch. I thought that was an interesting decision that you did that because I think we had talked about it even a couple of weeks before that. You were pretty adamantly against it. You were like, "Well, I want the design of the watch face and the design of the watch band and you had a whole slew of reasons why you didn't want to do it." Well, I like, I have some cool watches and I just like that they're all very unique in the Apple Watch to me is just, you know, the design is fine. I don't have a problem with it. It's just that there's like five million of these floating around everywhere. And so for me, I kind of like just having a different pattern, different design. And with this, you're kind of locked into that shape and you're locked into it. But they do have custom bands and all of that kind of shit that you can pay out the nose for if you want, which I did. So we were just discussing, I think earlier today, you know, a couple hundred dollars with the watch bands when the watch itself was what 400? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Exactly. But if you want like the fancy like whatever, the sport band is 50 bucks. I mean the metal band is what 150 then they have one that's 250. Oh, you can get them. Air maids. Yeah. Hey, I can get some like two toned leather for like 500 bucks or something like that. So it's a little ridiculous. But I do like the features and yeah, Zach's got a good point. He's got his and he's like, once I got mine and never wore my hat. old ones. And on the same way, I mean, that's kind of, I'm glad I didn't get further down that road because I have like three watches now. They were cheap watches relatively. So it's not a big loss. But there's no way I would go back now just because, you know, we're doing a little friendly competition this week and the health and fitness, the activity app. And so you kind of need that. It's just, you get so much more data, heart rate, EKG, all these other things that are coming out. So it's more than just a watch. It's, It's really kind of like a reporting tool on your real time health and wellness. >>Stupidly, I think one of my favorite features of the whole Stupid Watch is like when I have to log into our partners at LendingTree, they do two factor authentication and one of those two factor mechanisms is like a push notification to your phone that you have to say yes or no you accept or decline, well now it comes to the watch. >>I like that. >>I don't even have to pick up my phone anymore which is really, really nice. >>Well, so there are other benefits like that. So yeah, authenticating now on the network is one. And I noticed, I was telling you earlier, before the show, when we're getting set up, that I flipped the lid on the laptop and all of a sudden it unlocks because I've got the watch. And so that's another feature within proximity it unlocks the computer. And so it is a time saver. And it is funny. It's definitely a first world kind of a thing where so used to pulling our phones out all the time. But I've noticed now, like the, I don't have to do that as much just for status updates. I'll give you a little buzz and I can look over here and see what's going on. I can be on the treadmill and you know hit and hit skip the next song a lot of things that like I couldn't do with the phone If I was like running at a good clip on the treadmill or out and about jogging like it'd be really hard to kind of Manoeuvre the phone, but I can just use this and there you go So so far I've been happy with it. It's been about a week Ish not quite a week and you went with the 44 inch or whatever the 44 inch 44 inch? 44.44. Yeah, I got the 44 what? Yeah, the nano millimeter. Centimeter? I don't know. Something definitely. 44 something. That'd be a fucking watch. A 44 centimeter addition. I think they call it a 44 inch Trinitron monitor. That's the iPad on my fucking wrist right here, dude. Yeah. That's what that is. But yeah, I did. I mean, it's a little bit larger and I do like the, I wouldn't want anything other than that. I think that's a nice size. Quick real time follow up, Zach is asking, do you keep the brief function on? I've dismissed it a few times now. I did it last night, so I've not had a point where I'm going to kill it yet, but it's a little annoying because it comes up at random times, but I don't mind doing it when I do it. So I'm going to wait a little bit more. It's too early to tell. I would agree with that. And I think if I would have kept the watch, if I would have had the watch kind of in the Everest project, the big project that we've been working on for nine months, I could have definitely used that brief feature if it would have kicked in in the middle of the day where there was some pretty high-stress moments. But lately I I find myself just dismissing it for the day and kind of being like that's the same thing as you. That's annoying. - Yeah, it comes up in opportune times and I just don't have a minute that it's kind of funny to think I don't have a minute, but in the moment I don't think I have a minute to like breathe or whatever. - Right. - Like it wants me to. There's a few quirks to work out still. I did get the cellular ones, so I was hoping that I could just take this on the road and go for a jog or go do something and not have to bring the phone with me. That seems to be on the cusp. I mean, in my experience, that's not fully baked yet And maybe I'm doing some things wrong, but I am paying for the data plan on this through T-Mobile, right? So I do have cellular connectivity on here, but when I try to do things, it wants me to go to the phone a lot of the time. So I'm not sure if that's going to be fixed. I know there's some updates coming in iOS 13, I watch OS. >>Watch OS, I think it is a six. I don't know whatever the next one is. >>I think it's on 5.3 now or something like that. >>It's an API problem. The current watch OS version does not support streaming from third party applications. Apple can do it, of course. >>Yeah, yeah. but none of the other ones can. So I think once the fall comes around and the next update is available, I think you'll see Spotify and all these other players clamoring to put applications on the watch that are able to stream and give you exactly what you want. That's one of the things that actually like really spurred me to jump on board with the Apple Watch is because I want that exact functionality when I run, leave the phone at home, hook it into my AirPods and I don't need anything else, right? - And that's it, yeah. - There are a few cases like that. For example, I have a little convenience store downstairs that I like to go to for a little like sweet, you know, little sweet tooth at nine o'clock a night, go downstairs, get some, like I just brought the watch down there the other day and Apple pay. And that worked, so that was nice. I didn't have to bring anything a wallet, a phone, credit cards. Shout out to PB, he just joined us a few minutes ago. On my good buddy PB. Yeah, so you're loving it? It's good. So far it's good, yeah. I really like it a lot. It's good. Hey Audrey, how you doing? It's my sister-in-law just jumped on too. Very nice to see you. Don't lie, you were sold on the watch when Kyle told his tale of phone recovery. (laughing) - Phone recovery, was it? - That was when I left my phone in the car, the car to go the other day. - Well, that was pretty cool. You left it in the car to go and then you used your watch to call somebody. - That saved me, man. Well, call a car to go service because my phone was in the car. I couldn't get it. - They need to add a phone. - I couldn't call a car to go customer service 'cause I didn't, my phone was in the car. Yeah, and you locked it, that's right. That was compelling. I thought that was a good story. That probably helped. Subliminally, it probably sold me on it 'cause I've been thinking about it for a while and that pushed me over the edge. Yeah, that was good. Yeah, I don't know. I'm pretty happy with it. I needed a little more time with it still. I brought it to the gym a little bit. There's some things I like, some things I haven't figured out yet, but overall, I don't regret the purchase. And I have been working out more as a result of that. And I think there's probably a honeymoon phase associated with getting a fit bed or any kind of health watch, smart watch kind of a thing, but I've definitely noticed a trend where I've been getting more steps in, like getting up, take more breaks, standing up, going to the gym, that sort of a thing. - And the challenge, I think is interesting too. Just playing around, I hooked up the challenge functionality in the Apple Watch. I didn't even know how it worked. He went ahead and accepted the challenge, and so now there's a little competitive edge in there too, so like you can see me versus him in terms of points, And so yeah, we get a little bit of that competitive edge in there too to get you moving a little more. - Although I found you out pretty early in the competition trying to cheat, using multiple apps to double log your points there. - Well, my sister would call that reasonable cheating. - Reasonable cheating. Where is Lexan? She's not on here right now. - No, I think she's watching. - Okay, very good. - Yeah, let's move on, shall we? - Reasonable cheating? No, you want to move quickly there. That was a quick transition. - Yeah, we're getting ready to hit the button. I think it's worth letting everybody know, man, we're having this weekly competition and you're like beating me on points trying to figure out what the hell you're doing. And as it turns out, you're getting what double credit for riding your bike to work? Well, we don't know that that's the case. I mean, I'm definitely moving more than you. We counted steps in flights of stairs and this is sort of a legit. This is sort of a whatever the case may be, kind of a moment for you. Maybe. Yeah. Let it go. Let it slide. I'm not going to do it today. Ha ha ha. Luster. Too bad for you. Luster's caught up, dude. He would really like that. We need him to sponsor that. Like every time you say it, it's like a buck or something. I like that idea. Yeah, maybe we have to have a little button, you know, we can hit one of these Codecats. Not that one. He's fucking fast Turn it off I don't know what you got off what the fuck was that? That's funny. I didn't even know that was on there I was hoping for something like that. Audrey wants no kind of watches you get you just jumped in here So I got the app I got the Apple Apple watch the 44 centimeter when you said. - The fourth edition. - Or whatever. Apple watch for. - We have the same one. - Yeah, that's right. - So, yep. - Pretty happy with it. Just 'cause, you know, I'm pretty much married to the ecosystem. I got the iPad, the iPhone, the MacBook Pro. - Yep. - And they all tied the other way. - You're all in. - We got a hell of an Apple set up. - We got the whole ecosystem here. We got the whole family. - Yeah. - All right, let's move along now. Let's get going here. - All right, one more piece follow up. I wanted to talk about just briefly because last week we talked about kind of the goal setting experience, maybe that was two weeks ago, I can't remember. Two weeks ago we did, that was on number 39. All right. And I think I had been talking to you a little bit about it some more and I was kind of like, why didn't I bring up that information in the meeting, right? We kind of sat and talked about it a lot and chewed through it and whiteboarded and all that kind of thing and like it got me thinking a little bit about different thought processes. That's right. And I'm definitely of the type that you might have a meeting with, you know, 15 people in room and I'm going to be the one that's going to sit there and absorb everything that's being said. I probably am not going to say a lot unless I very vehemently disagree. Sure, right? But then once the meeting's over, I'm going to sit there and I'm going to digest it and chew through it and probably within 30 minutes maybe I'm going to have a pretty strong conclusion about what I felt from that meeting. But I'm not going to be one of the strong players in the meeting that's leading it because it takes me a while to chew through those pieces of information and come to like a a concisive decision, right? - Yeah, and to your credit, I know after that meeting, there was a lot discussed about how we were gonna organize and do all these things as a architecture committee. That was the discussion. And it went a lot of different directions and quite a few opinions were tossed out during the hour, but I remember going back to your room, probably a couple hours afterwards, and you had already whiteboarded, like a whole bunch of shit on the whiteboard, and you did it in your room, then you went to Brian's and did over there too. So you just needed a little extra time to figure it out. But once you sat down and laid it out, then I think the idea started flowing. So that's I think it's a pretty common experience. Like there's a half of us maybe, or not even that just want to shout it out in the room and solve it now. And then the other half just knew a little time and come back with some really good ideas later. - I think it's a little bit of a hard, it's an interesting problem to solve just because how do you not steamroll the people that need that time to make a decision? Right? You have people in the room that all want to make a decision quickly and move on from it, but then you have the other people, you know, let's say half that maybe aren't ready to make that decision or can't come to a complete formula, you know, in the decisions already been made. Well, I think it's a good point that we let it rest, you know. That's something that we said. We're going to table this for today and we're going to come back to it in a couple of weeks and bring your ideas. And so I think it gives everybody a chance to process or ideate in their own natural way. And for some of us that just want to barf it out in front of a group of people, I still found value going back later anyway, too. So I don't think just because some of us were up front with ideas that that would have been fully baked and we should have gone forward with that. So I think it makes sense. Like, hey, have the session get it out there, collect information, or iterate on the idea by putting it out there, but then take some time off and come back. And I think the next meeting we have, we're gonna be in a much better position, not only because we've had two weeks, but what, we've talked about it on the show. It's this episode 39's been referenced in email now. (laughing) Yeah. To the team, as far as like, hey, there's a discussion out there, check that out, and give it some more thought. So yeah, I think it's good to have a little bit of time to process. Yeah, the coffee codecast is becoming a footnote on documentation here at the office, which is kind of funny. But I think, yeah, to your point, I think in terms of important and decisive decisions that we need to make, it's good to have kind of maybe a multi-meeting approach where there might be a fact-finding meeting to start it off. Everybody can throw out ideas and chew through them, and then there can be a week where people can kind of think through what was said and what was thrown out there and then come to a more conclusive decision in a follow-up meeting that now everybody's had time to kind of wrap their heads around it in a more thorough way. - That's right, I think so. And that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna get back together what next week, probably something like that. - I believe that's correct. - Boom. - Yeah. All right, man, well, shall we move on to the news? - How we doing on time? Oh, I think so. I think that's a good time to jump in, let's go. (upbeat music) What do we got going on in the news? Oh, we've got some good stuff. We have some Apple news, some Amazon news, some Microsoft news, some, oh, some Tesla news. (laughs) - I didn't get to say it all ominously like that. - Tesla news. - Everybody loves Tesla news? - And a little generic news about an app, a new app that I love. - Yeah, yeah, I found the new app. - Let's jump in. I, talk about the app first. I thought that was kind of a cool find. - Oh, you want to jump right up to the app? - You want to go there, we're going to go over. - Reverse order. - We're going to go reverse order, we'll do that, We'll go back to the top and then work our way through. - Let me see, I had all these links like perfectly in order and now you're messing me up. - Oh, let's go back to the top. - Nope, nope, nope. - Arrive is the name of the app. - I think it's a Reve. It's gotta be a first thing. - That's what I said. - A Reve. - That's what I said. - Okay, very good. - Yeah, I found this app actually as part of, I purchased that we're gonna talk about here a little later. - Yeah, 'cause we've been buying them which is shit this week. - Okay. - And so we need a way to manage all this. How do you manage all the shit that you buy? You gotta get a no spin news, Gomer says, - Oh, wow. - I was gonna add that to the show notes, actually I'm glad you brought that up. Next week we'll come up with a spin update. - Well, we'll have to come up with one 'cause they're not gonna come up with anything. I looked earlier and there wasn't a damn thing on there yet. There was no 'cause what we're into July now. The last update was June. June update, it's been over a month. - Oh boy, no updates. I'm sure they're hard at work over it, spin though, Gomer don't worry about it. We're gonna get that coffee machine over here any day and now. (laughs) Anyway. - Arrive. - Arrive. - One of my packages getting here. - Yeah, so if you're like us and you order all your shit online and you have no idea when all of it's gonna arrive and you order it from various different sites, how do you manage that? - It's so hard to keep track of it. 'Cause you've got emails flying in all these inboxes everywhere. You've got Amazon updates. - Order confirmation, shipping confirmation. How do you manage all that? - I don't know how to keep track of that shit. - Parive. - Parive. - Yeah. - Very nice. - It's a great app actually. So what it does basically is it comes your inbox if you're a Gmail user or many other, I think other email boxes that will work with as well. And it will basically come your box for any kind of shipping confirmation emails and pull out the tracking number. - Isn't that special? - Track it for you. - It's big brother just trying to get a hold of your packages, isn't it? - That's right. - I have a feeling there's some kind of conspiracy theory out there about this. - I mean, they're scraping your data, so you gotta be comfortable with that. But look, he shops at Amazon 80% of the time, and then he shops at that place and pottery barn, whatever, I don't know, wherever you like to go. - Yep. - It's a cool app. I like it a lot because I like it because it doesn't require any manual input. You just order shit and then it shows up on the Arieva app and then you get a notification. Like I got one on the watch day, I said, "Oh, your package is delivered." Or your package this morning, it said your package is on the way, or you have two packages on the way, or whatever. It's very good about managing that for you. You don't have to do anything other than give it all your passwords and set it and forget it. Yeah. Nice, pretty user friendly. I, yeah, I dig it, man, it's cool. It's pretty great app. I don't think it looks like there is a version of this for Android, so it's only going to be for our Apple friends. iPhone only. Yeah. OK. So if you're on the dark side, then forget about what we said anything here. Then you have to go to school and just keep track of your tracking codes. Right. You can give somebody else your passwords. Yeah. All right, that's fun. Yeah. I recommend it's a free app and I don't think there's really any advertisements or anything like that. It just kind of works. Just kind of steal your data. It's fine. Okay, cool. I enjoy it. Yeah, I do too. I've used it for a few days now. It's very nice. Yep. What else we got going on here? I don't know. You're out of order. So you tell me. We're going to go back to the top. So you got to get your links reset again. We're going to hit it from the top. Apple, we've talked about this quite a bit because there's a big, there's a lot of battles going on. Like we've got the battle. We're going to talk about the battle for collaboration tools later on. Well, there's another battle going on in the podcast space right now. Podcasting and content creation in general is undergoing a big transition in a big battle right now, where it's going from the powers and the hands of the content creator, and then you put it out on a platform or a multiple platforms as we do here in the coffee codecast, right? Like we're on Stitcher Spotify, tune in, like all these platforms. and publish an episode out to all these guys and have a syndicated feed that goes everywhere and everybody can use their favorite app to listen in. But that's starting to change a little bit. - Yeah, this is a little concerning 'cause Apple was the original place that you would host podcast or at least host the feed. And they had the directory that everybody kind of relied upon. And up until recently, until this recent report here, it was always open, it was always an open-eakened system. There was no controls that Apple really put into place. They didn't try to monetize it. Yeah. It was all just a free open space in anybody that wanted to build an app, could build an app, and hook into these feeds, and start indexing, and using Apple search mechanisms. And that's how most of these apps have persisted. However, now Apple has announced that they are going to fund Apple exclusive podcasts. So they're going to get into exclusive content. Yeah, and this is-- they're not the first to do this, by the way. And this is a new trend that's starting to happen. You're getting these content providers. these are what you call them indexes, if you will. They're really trying to build up their own arsenal. And it's starting to look similar to what you see in the fight for streaming content, right? So your Netflix is in Yuhulu, YouTube, now Apple as well is making a major like multi-billion dollar investment in curating their own content. And so you're starting to see this land grab word. It's like, okay, we're gonna have our own set of content. They're gonna have their own content. And it's happening now in the podcast realm as well. - Yep, and their apples definitely not the first one to do this Spotify, I think you mentioned earlier, is already in that space, they're already Gimlet Media, they've made an acquisition of Gimlet Media which hosts Reply All, which is one of the bigger podcasts in the space. Luminary came out, we talked about that in episode 33. That's a app that is specifically for exclusive content. So definitely this is the shifting of the industry, which is a little concerning because, you know, unless you're, we talked about this a little bit earlier, unless you're kind of like the Joe Rogans or the, this American Life's or somebody that commands a ton of attention, the openness of podcasts is gonna go away and it's gonna be harder to get your foot in the door than it is today. - Yeah, you're taking something that was really available to everybody all the time and now it's going to be segmenting the market up and so if you're not on platform X then you might not get found and so on and so forth. So not good for the small guy. - Right, for sure. - Yeah, so far they haven't really, like I don't think Apple has commented on this. This is more just people reporting that they're getting reached out to by Apple for exclusive agreements. So it's being reported via third parties and via Bloomberg in this case. So nothing official has come out from Apple, but concerning nonetheless. - It is concerning, that it's not gonna get rid of the distribution network overnight, so I think it's still a long ways away. you can put your app, your podcast out there and have it broadcast all over. But when you start getting into these exclusivity agreements and then you're gonna start to see the segmentation occur and that's when it's gonna be a little bit harder to get recognized if you're not on those platforms. And I don't know how that's gonna work. Like I think still, even though Apple has these, would potentially have these agreements in place, they would, I would assume still allow you to publish on theirs for free. I don't know, I guess that's the question, like how's that gonna work? Can you still publish your stuff out to everybody or are they gonna say, "No, "if you're gonna be on Apple, it's Apple only?" - But I think the other thing that's concerning not only for the podcast content creators are the apps that you use to listen to podcasts 'cause now they're gonna lock you into their own app. Apple's gonna lock you into the podcast app, or not Spotify is gonna lock you into Spotify. So on a luminary is on luminary, right? So all these kind of third party app creators, 'cause I use third party apps, like pocket casts or overcasts or any of these other third parties, they're all going to be squeezed out as well because their content isn't going to be allowable on these new platforms. That's right. Or they're not going to be able to at least consume some of the bigger players, which is effectively going to like shut them down. Right? Boo. Boo. Yeah, we'll see what happens. It's an interesting space that's getting shook up right now. It's a good thing we're on the rise. We'll probably be in line for those exclusivity contracts. - I'm sure we'll be getting an email any moment. - Yeah, yeah. - Waiting for it. Apple sent it over this way here. - What is going on here? - You want to tell us what's going on next here? What is this? This is your article you put in here. - You've done an iCloud restore before, right? - On your iPhone, so you get a new iPhone from the Apple store. - More times recently than I'd care to admit. - That's true. - I just did one a couple weeks ago. - Yeah, so I did. - So if you back all your stuff up to iCloud and you get a new phone, you know, maybe you get your every two year upgrade. - That would be generous, yeah. - Well, I mean, I know you've been through a lot more than that recently, but normally, for most people, you get once a year or once every two year upgrade. - Yes. - Yeah. So, I clouded basically would restore your entire phone, contacts, photos, settings. - That's just beautiful because in the old days, you used to have to back the thing up to iTunes with the cable. And if you forgot to do that, if you didn't do it every day, then who knows? Like, the last time it was backed up and you're losing all your messages, you're losing some email, photos, apps you downloaded. - Right. this. It's probably been like eight years ago or maybe I don't know like 20, 2008, 2010, I think. Well, they had a period of time and I think you actually even still can. You can do both. Yeah. You can still plug it into iTunes and back it up to your machine if you want. Well, that's right. Because iCloud is a paid service. So if you don't want to pay the $99 a year for that feature, then you can certainly just do manual backups. But then you're really hosed if you're not doing it on the regular. Right. I got away from that as soon as I could because it was just a pain in the ass to really manage all of that. And with iCloud, yeah, it's if it's an an annual subscription, but then you don't have to worry. Your phone is constantly backing up to the network. New contacts, messages, everything that you have on there. One thing I liked about that is that when I got this phone, I put in my username and password, restore from backup, and then within an hour, I think, or so, I couldn't tell the difference. Everything was there. The wallpaper was the same. All the settings were the same. It just brought everything down. It was really nice. >> Yeah, it's beautiful from that respect, but it does take oftentimes a really long time to do the restore, right? And why is that because you might have gigs of photos and videos and all kinds of stuff that it's got to pull down and-- >> Lots of data. >> Yeah, tons of data. Well, this article, I don't even know where I found it, from Cult of Mac, which is an interesting site sometimes. They basically found a way that you could speed up the process to get your eye cloud back up to restore a little faster. That's a pretty nifty little photo they have there. - Yeah, we'll put that in the show notes for the episode. However, so basically they're saying that because it's a processor intensive process and the iPhone itself has no, or at least very little heat dissipation, no fans. - That's right, there's no, it's passive cooling, right? - Yeah, so basically it's getting hot during that process. And so it's throttling the CPU. So it's being slower than it needs to be to do the restore. - Just to stay cool. - Yeah, so in this article, they're basically saying that you just sandwich your phone with a couple of ice blocks. - That's what it looks like. Got a couple of freezer packs. - Cool that guy down. - With a mount, throw them in the middle. - Right. - Make a little sandwich. - Yeah. - And apparently that'll speed up the restore theoretically. - Like in half the time. - Is that what he said? - It was a majoromatic improvement. - Wow. - Yeah, it was, it doesn't say that on this article, the one I saw said that it was twice as fast. Excellent. Well, more you know. Well, it's like the old school, Craig, super computers. Remember that name, Craig? No. That was back from, I mean, they're still around. They actually have an office down here. They had one over by the Rain Air Square, where that goofy looking building that's kind of flutes out at the base, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I thought they were over there for a little bit. And Kray was known for super cooling computers. So their whole thing was they would have their machine submerged in some kind of liquid --water cooling? --Yeah. It wasn't just water though, it was some kind of oozy viscous kind of a thing. But yeah, that was the whole idea, they would get them down to super cool temperatures, and they could run overclock without any kind of overheating. --Excellent. --A little radiator for your computer? --Yeah. I mean, this was like submerged. I mean, they had a whole different thing, but it was, as far as I know, they were among the first to do that, at least on such high-performing machines. Like, these were some of the fastest super computers that you could get your hands on back up there. - Never heard of them? - Yeah, good stuff. Cray, or good friends at cray. So yeah, grab a couple ice blocks next time you're restoring your iPhone and try not to smash the screen, but you can get that backup done in no time at all. - Yep, 30 minutes? - 30 minutes or less. - Back to normal. It's like the baggage. If it's not done in 30 minutes, then we'll give you your money back. There you go. There you go. Moving on, what do we got next to here? Prime Day. It's Prime Day. Amazon Prime Day. Yesterday and today, right? Like Monday and Tuesday, I think I saw something that today you can still get some prime deals. Isn't it prime day still? I think it still is. I think every day is prime day. Yeah. It's nice for us. When is it not prime day? Right. sales and stupid shit on sale. - Doesn't even matter if it's on sale or not. Prime day for me every day. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah, man. - So-- - So how'd your prime day go? Did you buy any, did you make any purchases? - You know, I wasn't going to at first. Oh, John's back again, man, week three. This is awesome, dude. Hey, welcome back to the cast. Yeah, I did, I was holding out for a little bit, but then you were sending me some garbage in my inbox that kind of got me excited. - You're just enticing you. - Yeah. I've been looking for a few items and so I was trying to see if they didn't deal with it and I did pull the trigger on some sonos products. I finally sucked you in, man. Yeah, you did. You got me. Took a long time. Two years on this cast of talking about how much I love sonos. Well, finally. I'm stubborn, man. I'm stubborn because back in the day I had like an automation business for a number of years and it was right when sonos was starting to come out and back in the day when I was doing this, everything was hard wired and like retrofit kind of job so we would cut holes and ceilings and put in ceilings speakers in and do all this stuff in Sonos was kind of the competition. Not really because we were a pretty small fry at that point, but we were losing a fair amount of business to Sonos and so I didn't like that. So I was like, "Fuck these guys are trying to wireless, just taking over, but wireless sucks, man. Wireless isn't as good as the hardwired stuff we're doing." Oh, quality is not as good. The quality is not as good. Anyway, so I think I had a little bit of a bias there, but I do like Sonos. I make really good products and I need a few more speakers. I need one for the office and I need one for the apartment. So I figured what the hell? They had a pretty sweet deal on the Play One, right? The second gen. - Sonos One. - Sonos One. The naming kind of sucks. - The voice activated one. - Okay. - You have the Play One, the Sonos One. - Right. - And then there's different generations. I got the Sonos One, second generation. - Right. - A nice little cube speaker. - Pretty good discount. - Oh yeah, I think they want, what was it? 30, they're $70 discount. - $70 discount and it comes with a $50 Amazon gift card. Right. Well, that was pretty cool. Yeah. So I got two of those. The sound on those small speakers is incredible, by the way. Yeah. Like the the amount of volume and precise accurate sound that they can put out at high volume is incredible for that for that package. They're kind of like the modern day bows. They got some wizardry in there that makes it sound better than you know, it really is or something. Maybe. But that's very cool. So I got a couple of those. I got a I told you we're doing a little health and wellness kick here. I got the Apple watch. recently and so I also got the digital scale finally I've been avoiding that for a long time I didn't really want to look at the numbers And then I had to kind of face the Face the music when I got the you know, I had my labs done and that sort of thing I said fuck it like now that I've already kind of exposed that side of it I'm just gonna get the scale and just do it and Try to get back on track and see you went through a couple different ones right he started with one and went to a note Well, you bought one before prime day and then you return that yeah, I did one I did the, you know, no disrespect, but I got the arbor leaf. It had really good reviews and it had a lot of promise and it had quite a few metrics. I'm impressed at how many metrics you can squeeze out of a digital scale. I mean, this thing can pretty much tell you your height and body fat percentage and water percentage and your BMI and all of these things. There's just so many different statistics that they capture just off of standing on a scale. It's quite impressive, but I was having problems with it sinking. needed a Bluetooth connection that was kind of not working all the time. And you told me that the one you've got is more of a Wi-Fi and you don't even have to use your phone. Just like you step on it and it syncs everything up. Right. Yeah. I think I have the withings. Maybe it's still called withings, I don't remember, but withings Wi-Fi is something scale. Whatever the hell that was though, they had a really good discount on that. It was like half off. Yes. Yeah. You got it. I think, yeah, well under half of what I had to pay for it way back when. I paid something around $50 or so. Yeah. Yeah. Great deal on the Amazon Prime Day. If you can still get it. Go out and check it out. I'll try and put a link in the show notes. I have one for the Sonos, so I'll make sure to put that in there too. But it may be expired by the time we put the show up. - Yeah, I don't know if it was a flash sale, but it doesn't matter. I like the ease of use, the convenience of it. So you don't even have to get a phone out or do any configuration. You just use the scale like you always do and you step off and then it's being tracked, you know? - Yep, and then you just open up the app and there it is. So it works well. I love it. - Yeah, Zach was talking about the prime day strike that was going, I did see some of the strike activity there. - Yep. - There's been a lot in the news about that right now too, just because there's a lot of talk just about in the warehouses and the conditions in the warehouses. Now they've moved a lot of that to automation, but however the conditions there still seem less than ideal. They have raised their prices now to Seattle minimum wage, right $15 an hour I think across the board. But being such a large corporation and so many employees, you still have a lot of safety violations and hazards. And I think they even had like some record number of, you know, injuries and like ambulance calls to the facilities. - Yeah. - What are they protesting for here? Is it more of a safety thing? Is it more way, I think though, I thought like the wages were being worked on. Is it, it might just be the poor working conditions as far as like I heard some stories recently, like this week there's a CNBC article or video that came out. And I think the part of the problem is that like, you only get X amount of minutes for like breaks, right? And being in a facility like the bathroom might be a five minute walk away. And so like if you only get 30 minutes of break and you have to go to the bathroom twice, will you just eight up like 20 minutes, just go into the bathroom? - Looks like they're mostly advocating for living wages in other areas other than Seattle and for bargaining power. - Okay, yeah. Well, that makes sense. They probably, because they had to, out of necessity, are paying the $15 minimum wage that's enforced here, also in California as well. But then maybe in other parts of the country, that's not the case. And it's still lower. Yep. Interestingly, it didn't seem to affect too much. I mean, you ordered your son of speaker, and I ordered one for you because they had a limit to one per customer. Yeah. Thanks for helping me out there, but no, no. problem at all. But it seems like they're going to arrive right on time. So I mean it didn't seem to hurt fulfillment at least from our perspective. Well from what I saw it wasn't a significant part of the workforce that was protesting anyway, at least from what I saw. Right. So yeah I think it's a legitimate concern. And by the way it's not just in the warehouse it's too. I know that the Gomer knows this. Gomer, who's the company that they outsource those the aircraft to because they have a fleet of like 50 airplanes now and they some of those are They own but then many of them they just lease from a from another third party and whatever that company is I know that the wages for the pilots have deteriorated since they've been working under Amazon under contract as well. Hmm He's typing it right now. He knows what it is and it's on the tip of my tongue And I just can't think of the name of it, but yeah, Atlas here. That's right. Yeah, so it's Atlas Yeah, they're interviewing the pilots. They're the pilot union. They're just saying yeah, you know like there's a lot more pressure now Like because Amazon's so big they're putting the squeeze on us And it's really like challenging our wages and our Safety and that's where the thing so it's not gonna go away Of course Amazon has all the you know, we talked to them about it like they're very happy with the Progress that they're making and all of that right now too, so More to come on that. Yeah, that'll put a fun. Fuzzy spin on it for sure. Yeah. And make it sound good. Let's move on, shall we? Teams versus Slack. Yeah, I wanted to talk about this a little bit. This is kind of the battle of the collaboration tools. Yeah. Collaboration suites. Slack's been around for a little while. When it's Slack come out, Slack has been around. It's kind of like an Amazon versus like an AWS versus an Azure kind of a thing. because they started, I don't know, in 2013 was the release. It was in August. So they've been around it six years. And not unlike the cloud wars where you've got AWS has been around gosh for what I want to say like maybe 12 or 15 years now. And as you're pretty much had a 10 year late start. Right. And yeah, I know it's contentious. I know we have a lot of slack lovers that are chiming in right now on our Slack channel. We do have a Slack channel, so we don't think it's all horseshit either, guys. I'm not trying to say the team is the best, but they've made some pretty good strides. I mean, Microsoft as a whole, and we've talked about this on other episodes, it says really under Satsya has made some pretty drastic changes to the culture to their identity and how they see themselves, interfacing with the rest of the tech community and with businesses and so forth. And so I would say that the work that they've done in the cloud has been really surprising. And they've made great gains. And in some ways, I think they're as good or even better than AWS, but you talk about collaboration. And they've really kicked some ass. They've only been around for two years. And already they're doing some really innovative things with Microsoft Teams. And they recently just surpassed the user subscriber count, like daily subscriber count, with 13 million active users on Microsoft Teams. >> Yeah, that's pretty impressive, although I think I'm pretty fair. I think they mandated that Microsoft as a corporation now use that product. - Sure. - So there's probably-- - They do use Slack too. They're trying to give it a-- - Oh, sure, yeah. - But they still have Slack on campus. - But I'm sure that's, I mean, Microsoft employees a hell of a lot of people. So I'm sure that's a very large portion of that number, but-- - Office 365 is the big boy. It's bundled with that with office. - Yeah, that's true too. But that number is impressive on its own just because they came into the market so late. - Yes. It's also, I think, to Zach's point, an inferior product to Slack, but it's still gaining users just because of the corporate footprint that it has already readily available to it. - I think it's a different, in some ways, it's very much a competing product, and they are competitors, and they're doing a lot of work to knock each other out the knees. But I think that their goals are different as well, and one of the things that I think is a very valid point, that Slack has the edge in certain areas, Teams has the edge in other areas as well. And so when you talk about, I would say, Teams has an advantage when it comes to video and screen sharing, right? Like it's super easy now to do video conferencing or group conferencing with teams, sharing screens, just the integrations that you get with it are really super easy. I mean, we've always had problems scheduling meetings as a company. And this has really simplified that for us quite a bit. Well, look, like-- not it's like Skype is like the de facto standard for a lot of companies in terms of teleconferencing. And that's built right in, right? They've kind of hidden that a little bit. They've kind of rebranded, I think, maybe it does say that it's provided by Skype up in the corner of the video. But generally speaking, like that was a huge advantage that Microsoft had from the get-go, is that they could just use that platform. and leverage that something that people already were using and knew how to use. So I think they are doing a lot of things correctly. They're doing a lot of things incorrectly too, that are making it very painful to use. So although I think they're on the right track with a lot of these things and it's improved, it's super dramatically since we adopted it. - We're seeing it now, I would say almost on a monthly cadence. Like each new release has something that's pretty beneficial or really helpful you didn't have before. - Yeah. - I mean there was some dumb things before, right? You couldn't even mute somebody else. - Yeah, so you have some asshole like driving or riding a mo-ped, like listening to a conference call off mute and you couldn't do anything about it. - Or you couldn't meet a conversation if people were in, you know, and if somebody added you to a multi-person conversation like that and we're just chatting on and on and on and on, you couldn't meet the conversation as a whole so you just had to like get blown up by alerts. Definitely happened a lot. So I mean, they've come a long way in the short time that we've used it, but long way to go yet. - I think back to what they had like previous gen And I think Zach was asking me a little bit earlier on the channel here what they had before teams. And I want to say it was Link, LY and C was your product, right? Link is correct. Yeah. Link was the, was kind of their promise. And that was really just kind of a Skype wrapper. They had, you know, after they purchased Skype, they tried to put a little business twist on it. And it really went anywhere. It didn't really go anywhere. It was a pain in the ass and it's still required a lot of custom configuration and set up. And I will say, I mean from the Skype, like basically Skype for Business was like the platform prior to Teams and that was a pile of shit. - Yeah, that's no good. I still have problems with it. I still work with some other companies that have that as their primary collaboration tool. And so when I try to go on, for example, on my Mac, I'll click on the link and then it wants to open Skype for business and then it'll say something like, well, you need to sign in with an account, but I just want to sign in as a guest. And so it's just really not intuitive. It's not easy to use. I do like Slack a lot. And I have to say, like for what we're doing with the coffee code cast and when I work with external teams, that makes more sense to me. They do have now a free teams version. They've made steps in the right direction by opening that up, but a little too little too late there. I think if they have a lot more work to do to try to win people over, I love being able just to say here, give me your email address, boom, we're on a Slack channel ready to go. >> Or just provide a link like we do for the coffee code cast and say like anybody can join. >> Yeah, yeah, that doesn't matter, I don't care. >> Right. >> Come on over. >> Yeah. Oh my goodness, is the riff getting on the show right now? Hold on, riff. - Air and sh*t, dude. - She's been talked about a lot on the cast and she finally joined on. I love it. - So nice to see you here, too. We've got a good group today. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Well, we're killing a lot of time and we got a lot of sh*t to talk about. - We haven't even gotten to the main topic yet, Kyle Damit. We're talking about putting iPhones on ice and all this other crazy stuff. Let's move along here. What do we got next? - I don't know, where are we going next? - I don't know, we might have to cut-- - You're in random order here, so-- might have to cut Tesla news for time. I'm so sorry. I know it's a disappointment. You know, this is three weeks that people have been waiting and clamoring for Tesla news. We only have 10 minutes. So I'll give you the choice. We can talk about Tesla news and wrap it up or we can get into the topic. I just don't think there's going to be enough time to really get into the topic today. Well, we'll make the topic short or we'll have to just say give a tease and to be continued. All right, let's get into it. F**k it. Waste the time here. Let's move. All right. So I have a pretty old backpack that I've I've been using it as like my everyday daily carry backpack. So, been looking for a replacement for a little while. - Yes. - Google and around doing some searching, not like super critical like I need to buy it now, but I've just kind of been peeking around seeing what's available. - How long have you been researching this by the way? - I don't know, maybe three, four weeks at that. - Okay, that's not too bad. - All right. And my Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, anything that spams you with ads, that's all I get now. Backpack advertised. - Everybody's got a backpack for you. - Which by, that's right. Which by the way, for this particular use, because I'm looking for something extremely targeted, has been really, really, really valuable. 'Cause a number of the ones that I've been looking at as contenders came from some of these targeted ads. - You didn't even see these guys before they started showing up on your feet. - I would have never known they existed. - Yeah. - And I was telling you this the other day, we're getting a lunch and I said, you know, I don't have a problem with that kind of marketing. I think that could be really useful. Just the other crap, the other spammy stuff that doesn't go away. So when I'm looking for a product and I start to get other things, other inspired ideas from that that I didn't find on my own, I don't have a problem with that. Great. So I'm replacing, I have a North Face, I think it's pronounced K-Bon. Uh oh. Oh, we lost our feed. The feed, come back feed. Come back feed. Video paused, Zach says. Whoa, I don't know what happened there. Alright. Okay, that was weird. We're gonna pause here for technical difficulty. That was some weird shit. I don't know what happened there, but we're back. Oh, good now he says, all right, moving on. - I got a little pop up over here. I got to make sure I'm watching that. Okay. New equipment guys, new equipment. - All right. What was I saying? Oh, so I have the North Face, I think it's called K-Bahn. - Yeah. - It's like a 12 point, something, 12.3 liter, so I'm upset. Something like, no, 20.3 liter. Yours is a 23 liter bag. - Yeah. - I've got a 26 liter osprey, so it's a little bit larger. So it might be a little small. Like it will definitely fit this laptop, this 15 inch MacBook, but it's my everyday carry. So I usually bring this. Oftentimes I'm bringing my clothing for the morning for the day 'cause I'm riding my bike into work. So I have shoes closed, various like a cord bag that I think we kind of both have. Like just has all of our various electronics, charger cord battery. - Right, that sort of stuff. - I mean, that's really my bug out bag. Like if there was a nuclear something on or that, we had an earthquake last week. - Yes. - If that would have been like the big one, that backpack has everything, man. I keep like my fucking passport and my social security. I put more stuff in there, I probably should. - You carry that around every day. - Every day. - Wow. - Yeah, everything. - Leaving that at the bar? - Well, I don't do that. I leave it, I don't leave shit at the bar anymore. I leave it at the office. - Any more? - Yeah, we're in the hard way sometimes. But I'm just saying, I have everything in there that I need, my laptop, my MacBook, you know. - Right, so. - Yeah, similar idea. - Yeah. - So I was trying to find something that would replace us be a little bit larger because oftentimes I feel like I don't have enough room to carry the things that I need or I'm really stuffing it in there. So I had a list of requirements that I've been building up over time and trying to figure out some bags that would meet these requirements. And so long story short, I went through, I don't know what I'll have, everyone, two, three, four, five, six different options. You've got a nice list here. Yep. That range anywhere from 20 liter all the way up to 40 liter bags packs? That's large, a 40 liter. That's probably pushing, that's about the most you could do on a carry on. Right, 40 liters. That's a pretty big backpack. Yeah, you're going to be sticking out quite a ways on your back. Yeah. It's going to be pretty wide. Yes. Yeah. So I didn't want that. That was not something that I was interested in necessarily, but the same one that was a 40 liter, also came in a 30 liter, which I thought was probably a good, a good mixture. That's a nice compromise. Right. It's probably as big as you want for an everyday. And the other thing is not only what I use this for an everyday, but I'd like to use it as kind of a light traveler. So like if I'm taking say a weekend trip or something like that, then I'd like to be able to use this as my primary backpack for like a two, three day trip, something like that. So one of the requirements that I set forth for it, obviously with one that has to be able to be used for daily use bike commuting, two, I wanted to kind of be a, I don't know what you would call it, a bifold, like so basically would open fully. You wouldn't want just like a top open. Right. Yeah, gotcha. So my current one, it's only a top loader. like I have to push everything down to the bottom and if you need something at the bottom obviously you have to pull everything out. I didn't want that. I don't know. It has to accommodate a 15 inch MacBook which is a pretty big MacBook. Yeah. It was another requirement. Obviously reasonable price. I'm willing to pay quite a bit for a bag by a lot of people standards but it has to be reasonable by my standards. Price less of an issue but it's still a consideration. Right. Okay. We said small enough for a weekend carry, big enough for a weekend trip. - What are resistant for the biking, like I mentioned? - There's a bag on your list called, I'm not fucking joking, it's called the NutSac bag Rucksack. - The NutSac Rucksack. - This is a real branded product. Like these guys are in business. - This is one of those that came to me on Instagram? - Really. - Yeah. It's actually a very nice bag. If you look at that thing, real leather. - Wow. - Like super nice bag, it's also the most expensive bag on the list. - It is. - Yeah. - Who would have thought the NutSac was the most expensive? - $365 for the NutSac. Rucksack. Very interesting. Wow. So they're only backpack. They they pretty much specialize in messenger bags. Okay. Yeah. So anyway, a long story short here. I went with a company called Topo designs. The Topo designs travel bag. Mm-hmm. I went with a 30 liter model, which seems to accommodate most of these things. It's water resistant. It has kind of the fully opening capability that I mentioned and has many panels inside of that. Lots of compartments. Yeah. So many compartments. I I couldn't believe what they had in there. - And they offer their own accessories with it too. So if you want, what do we call them? Pack bags, I can't think what they're called. - Yeah, these are stuff like the stuff sacs, the kind of, - There's a term for them, but I can't think - I really forgot what they are. - Yeah, cubes packing cubes. - Packing cubes, there you go. They can support their own packing cubes. They have their own versions if you want. You can put those in there. - Yeah. - The particular model that I have the 30, so you can put two side by side. If you get the 40 liter, you can stack four of them in there. - Yeah. They have a camera bag that's built to fit in this thing, which I also ordered So now I can put all my camera gear when I'm traveling in there now That's nice too because that can be a solo kit that you can just put a strap on and walk around down with That's true to yeah, you can take that bag that bag out of the bag Yeah, put a put a strap on it and use it as like a shoulder carry That's really nice to when you finally get there You don't have to you can break it down a little bit exactly Yeah, that's good And then another thing that that is mentioned here that I am all that we this kind of also turned into a bigger Travel question, you know, so like I started revisiting what it is that I need to travel And one of the things that came up is a dopp kit which we started discussing what the hell is a dopp kit? Yeah, I've never heard this. This is a new term for me. Yeah, it's basically your toiletries bag Yeah, but apparently the founder of that apparently the founder of that his name was adopt something I can Jimmy Dopp Jimmy Dopp The winner of the dot bag. Is that right? That's right. I saw that on Wikipedia first. Yeah, yep Yeah, so I started about I want I have a big one like the big the the bag that I have currently is a leather one And it's probably something you know, I don't know what a foot across by I don't know eight inches Yeah, it's like a single compartment. You just throw a ton of shit in there. It's kind of disorganized It's really large. It's nice But you know, it's got a hook on there so I can hang it from like anything okay And like all my stuff is kind of just in a nice hanging row, which is great But it holds a ton of stuff that I probably don't need so I started re-evaluating all the things that I would actually carry and things that I would use on a day-to-day basis. And so I ordered their Dopp kit, which is much smaller. It's probably a quarter of the size of the one that I have currently. So I started trying to think of what it is that I truly need when I travel. And what could I live without for a week? I think that's a better context to look at what you need in your travel bag. - That's a good way to think about that. - So like a good example of this might be, I use face wash every morning, but could I go a week without face wash and just use standard soap or some other kind of soap, probably, right? - Yeah. - Said I don't need to take up room for that. So I've been trying to pair that down and get into the mindset of being able to use this. And I'd like to use this travel bag for most of my travel. And then if I need anything larger then obviously I'd step up to kind of a roller bag. - And the linearation for you is what? Like you can do this, like you said, from maybe up to a week, maybe like a long weekend kind of a thing. But if you're gonna be going international and it's gonna be like a 10 or 14 day trip then probably gonna have to look at different options. - I feel like a week might be pushing it. That's a long time. - Yeah. - On what you're gonna be able to pack in there. It probably could do it. 'Cause I usually will bring like a travel soap, travel laundry soap, and all my stuff is washable and quick drying and all that kind of thing. So I could certainly do it, but that's probably as, that would definitely be as long as I'd wanna do. - Well there's something to say about that. I mean, I'll tell you what dude, I've had the, as we joke about, I had that experience going to Hawaii with no luggage and that worked out just fine. So I think even if you did go for a week, maybe you replenish some things while you're on the road, go to a Walgreens or go somewhere. I mean, that's the other thing too, is that we always think we gotta bring all this shit, but then a lot of these things are already there. You know, and so you don't probably have to have everything that you need. Like I'll do that with sunscreen. Like we've done a lot of poolside trips this spring, and you can't bring the big tubes through TSA anyway. So a lot of times I just won't even bring it until I get there then I'll get a bottle while I'll share it and then hopefully you use it all before you go. And then there you go. - I've gotten to be much more that way too, buy it there if you can, or if it's convenient, and don't worry about trying to bring it through TSA and managing all that. Kind of back to the dop kit point though. I kind of started nerding out on this and going down the rabbit hole and looking at what like these ultra light packers carry. And it's like, oh, I bring 15 Qtips, one little tear off type bag of sunscreen, my travel toothbrush and my toothpaste, And that's it, you know, stuff like that. - There are people that are very to the extreme minimal on this and we were talking about Dr. Bronner's soap. You know, they have, it's a very healthy, organic, I don't know, throughout all the acronyms, artisanal, non-gmail. - Aluminium. - Yeah, aluminium, we like that. I like that. No, there's no aluminium in there, but they use this for multiple purposes. Some people actually use that liquid soap for like brushing their teeth and shit. - Yep, I've heard that before. And so I've not tried it, I don't really recommend that. I would rather just use a toothpaste, but there are people that go to that edge and have one bottle and that's all they use for their hair and for, you know, that's their shampoo, that's their soap. They can wash some of their clothes with that and brush her teeth. - Well, and things like shampoo and conditioner, if you're staying at a hotel, every single hotel gives you shampoo and conditioner, so you don't need to bring that. - That's true. - Apparently there's such thing as a tooth powder that you can just use, dry tooth powder. - Yeah, I've heard of that. I've not had that experience before though. - I haven't either. mix it with water and kind of swish around or what? - Or maybe you can just stick it on your toothbrush and that'll foam up instead of paste. - Okay. - Right, so maybe that's a smaller way that you can condense your toothbrush, toothpaste. - It's been hanging on the, how that transports that my look a little interesting to a TSA agent near you, I don't know. - That's true. - Yeah, so top of design bag that I got, like I said, 30 liter, it's about $189. I'll get it tomorrow, so I'll be curious to see how this looks. I'm super curious about the size. The size is the biggest thing for me at this point. I don't want it to feel or it looked too big. - Yeah. - But obviously needs to be able to contain a lot of stuff. - So I think you've done right. If you have gone more than 30, then I think you'd feel a little uncomfortable. The e-bags is a 40 liter. And I wore it to the office as a temporary bag when my Osprey was getting replaced. And that felt too awkward. It was just a big box on my back. It was a heavy and didn't breathe well and all that sort of thing. - Right. And I had an old Timbuck 2-bag that I felt was that way way too big. - Yeah. - So I'm hoping I don't get back into that vicinity this but nice. Other ones just real quick. I know we're kind of running out of time here, but Bounder Design X-Pack Prima was another one that I actually really liked a lot. They are out of stock for the foreseeable future, so they were eliminated pretty quickly for me because I'm more of a I want it now. Tap again, I want them ready to make my decision. Peak Design, which I really love their stuff, I have a lot of their camera company primarily. They have a great bag, but it's very camera focused. It's not travel focused. Okay. So much or at least packing other things other than camera gear. Yeah, so that was a high contender, but but again didn't kind of meet the requirements We are to talked about the nut sack rucksack, which I just love saying I also looked at a couple from e-bags in Osbury, which you mentioned earlier So those were kind of the contenders and and yeah, I'm excited to see how this toppled design bag looks and Well, we're gonna have to have a follow-up review on that since you haven't received it yet and too because we kind of rushed that topic out the door just to make it for time But glad you brought it up. It was a good I love talking travel and minimalism and backpack gear Yeah, thanks for the topic. 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