In this episode, we have a guest on the show for the second time. Return guest Joseph Bowley joins us as we take a dive into how to handle solving a complex problem when you get stuck. We also talk about making big life changes on your own time or as New Year's resolutions. We also cover the status of Mike's Spinn coffee maker that we talked about all the way back in episode 2. We also discuss Chrome extensions and what each of us uses.
- Reddit Enhancement Suite
- AdBlock Plus
- VueJs Tools
- Duck Duck Go
- ICloud Bookmarks
- Amazon Assistant
Do you use incognito mode that often?
Web development all the time.
Well, web development makes sense because you're getting rid of caching, but why?
For personal uses.
Any websites you like to frequent?
Not really for personal mode.
That rhyme with...
There's a sound bite for you Kyle.
That's the sound bite.
Oh, tapping the Rockies.
When you have a guest, you should have them record their own swear word filter.
Oh, what would it be for you?
We'll do one now and one after you drink some more of that.
Why don't I drink some more? We'll figure it out. We'll play it by ear. We can do it at the end.
- I like that, that sounds good.
Coffee Code Cast number 22.
- Or four.
- Skip one.
Felt like we've done a few more.
Special guest Joseph Bully on the podcast today.
- Hey guys.
- Hey, you know it's been almost a year.
- It's been a little over. - Actually, it's slightly over,
like three days over.
- A little over, three days over?
- What did I write down?
- Was it that close?
January 14th, episode number 10, the Tell All episode.
Let's see if that happens again.
The Tell All, yeah.
I wasn't even drinking that time, so.
Oh my God.
Much better audio quality this time.
If you go back to that episode,
you will hear how much we've come along.
Did you listen to that again recently?
I don't doubt that though,
because we've made some good changes
even in the last couple months.
Well, I mean, he would have been on the snowball.
still have the Yeti.
- Same, Snowball too.
Now we got the big expensive bastards here.
And this is our first time with the Focusrite,
three microphones, we can even have one more guest on here.
- 18i8, right?
- Yeah, the setup is pretty impressive
compared to last time.
- Here, maybe we should get a picture.
- Take a photo.
- Put it on the Twitter.
- Kids are on the Twitter these days.
- I quit Twitter.
- Did you really?
- Yeah, I quit Twitter.
- Uh, what happened?
I feel like it's just
It's kind of hard to explain like you have
People when they're on Twitter have an in-group that they're talking about they're talking to especially like famous people
They're talking to a specific audience
But it's broadcast to a much wider audience
And so I feel that when I go into
Replies so like popular tweets. It's just like a cesspool of people like fighting each other and bickering and stuff and I also find that like
My opinions on like life and stuff have changed so drastically over the last like
Four or five years since I like made Twitter that if I went back a couple years at the things I was tweeting
I was like, oh geez. I hope like nobody sees this stuff. So I just deleted it
You wanted to wipe history too. Yeah, I should like if I if I go make another Twitter
I want a way to
Delete my tweets after like maybe three months
Okay, or maybe like maybe like a year. I don't think I'll go through as much change as I did in my late teens early 20s
Feel like that would be better for everyone if they just deleted their old tweets, you know like my like that gun guy
What's his name from Guardians of the Galaxy? He should have deleted his tweets. There's been a lot of those. Yeah
Yeah, they did everybody gets dug their history gets dug into and then they find some racist or homophobic or something
Twitter thing somewhere you want to you want to defeat somebody popular find their homophobic tweets from five years ago
I feel like that should be an app the the auto purge
Social media auto purge app. Oh, definitely. That would be a good app if it's not already out there somewhere
I don't know who would pay for it, but all government officials
Everybody famous. We're gonna target
Anybody running for a government position
Will be our target market
Why didn't you just set your account as private?
It was it was I think it no it wasn't private. I don't know I
Didn't want to go through and delete like three years worse the tweets
I just had a friend that had to do that actually a good friend Aaron. Oh
Yeah, oh interesting what happened here
She recently got a promotion she works for Microsoft and they really want her to be evangelizing and and she just didn't want to open up her Twitter account
She had a set to private. Yeah, she just argued with him for a while and was like, I don't know what I posted
five, six years ago and she's like, I really don't want to sit there and scan through all
of it and delete whatever I did say or whatever.
So there's, there's social media managers where you can have multiple Twitter accounts
and like swap between them.
The only thing you have to be mindful of is like making sure you're on the correct account
when you tweet, which has bitten people before, but like, has she, she thought about that?
I don't know.
I mean, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
A lot of people will say like, Oh, their name at Microsoft or something like that, you know,
instead of their personal account,
but I'm not sure why she didn't do that
or look at that option.
- Fair enough.
- So this is the first one since the New Year,
so happy New Year.
- Happy New Year, happy 2019.
- Bully, since you're the guest,
do you have any New Year's resolutions
that you wanna lay out there?
- I prepared for this.
I don't believe in New Year's resolutions.
I don't think they work.
You're gonna make a sweeping change in your life one day.
Like, it's like all those people who like don't work out
they go to the gym for a week in January. It's just not like a healthy way to make goals,
I don't think. I agree with that. I don't work out in January just to buck that trend.
So I'll start February 1st. You were on the workout train for a while,
though. Yeah, I'm back on it again. I'm in a new
gym. Yeah. But there's been a lot of activity the last few weeks. So my attendance there
has been not as ideal. That makes sense. Yeah.
I have made a couple of large changes,
like gradually over time, close to the New Year though,
like I became a vegetarian.
Pretty good at it.
Sometimes I slip up.
I stopped drinking at home.
Like if I'm at home by myself,
I don't like just crack open a beer
and play video games or something.
And I've started working out more.
- Those are all great.
- And you did them mid-year.
- Yeah, so the vegetarianism started,
I wanna say beginning of October.
I started swimming more,
going to master's workouts more
before my knee surgery.
And I've been going like three to four days a week
since I've been cleared to swim.
And what was the third one?
- Drinking at home.
- I started doing that like mid last year,
like even before that.
- Well, that's interesting.
I don't, I drink a fair amount quite a bit,
but I don't drink at home.
I'm not one of those guys,
like some guys like to go home and it's a relaxed,
kind of de-stresser at the end of the day, right?
I don't do that.
I have alcohol at home, but it's to entertain.
And yeah, like it's never been an appealing thing for me.
- Yeah, so the worst one for me was like,
smoking weed at home.
Like I would go home, I'd just be like,
I'd be tired from work,
I'd wanna unwind and just watch TV.
and I just like smoke a bowl and sit down and just zone out.
And like, I was, I like managed it
because I feel like I was still productive outside of that.
And I would have just like watched TV or like read a book
or played video games anyways,
but I feel like it's more healthy for me like not to do that,
- It's kind of the prototypical like movie scenario, right?
And in the movie, you see the guy come home from work,
throw the keys down, grab a beer out of the fridge,
sit down on the couch, turn on the TV.
- There's something about that,
that maybe that's my thing,
because as a child that was embedded in my head,
like dad would, the garage door open,
and you hear him come in,
and come into the kitchen with his briefcase,
and the key chain for his car keys was in the cabinet,
like the cupboard above the microwave kind of a thing,
high up, and so you'd open the door
and you'd hear the keys jingle,
put the keys in, grab something out of the cabinet,
and you start getting, you know, and get to work.
So just, yeah, there's something about that.
It's kind of very, that's a very typical
- Experience for a lot of people.
- So New Year's didn't trigger your changes.
What triggered it?
Like why did you decide suddenly?
- Well, the working out more started,
I think after me and this girl,
I'd been dating for a while last year, broke up.
And then I was like, well, I'm kind of out of shape now.
I should probably get back into shape.
And then part of getting back into shape was cutting down the alcohol and weed intake.
The vegetarian thing was just kind of gradual.
Like I was eating like a lot of meat for a while and then I like cut it down to, you
know, red meat.
And then I went just fish for a while for a short time.
And then in October, I was just like, let's see if I can do this.
And now when I eat meat, my stomach hurts, so I don't do it anymore.
What was the motivation for that?
Was it health reasons or agricultural?
- I feel like there's many reasons.
Like some, I don't like to pare it down to one big thing
because that's not, I don't know.
The, one of the big reasons was like,
I feel like the way that we treat farming animals
in the U.S. is like a moral failing, you know?
Like it's very cruel.
Another one is like, it's environmental.
It's better for the environment.
It's like cuts down on carbon emissions.
- The share resources that go into producing that product.
- Yeah, if we, if everybody in the US only stopped eating meat,
you could end world hunger right away.
And like, that's like a very simplified answer to that.
But, and it's like, like the numbers add up,
but like logistically it doesn't really add up.
So that's not like something I would tell somebody
to convince them to go vegetarian.
Yeah, I think that's about it.
And how's that been going out and that sort of a thing?
Is it a problem or not so much of a problem?
- Not so much, I love cheese.
- Oh yeah, Terry.
- Not full vegan, so I can still do that.
With restaurants, I'm not as strict.
Like I'll still eat fish and like chicken
maybe like once a month.
And I'll never let it to get in the way
of like a cultural experience.
Like if I was, if I flew to India
and was staying there for a while
and wanted to try Indian food,
I think I would definitely eat meat there
because I wanted authentically experience that.
- See, I think that's the counter to what you said
when you said resolutions don't work.
I think that's the flaw.
I think the philosophy is ultimately flawed
'cause you're saying, well, I'm making a sweeping change.
So I'm gonna go from drinking four nights a week
to not drinking again.
Most people just do it for a month.
But I think a more moderate approach
gives you more success, right?
You can do that and say, well,
I'm not necessarily not eating it.
It's just that my preference is to not eat.
And depending on the scenario.
So I would treat it like drinking.
Okay, I'm not gonna go out as much,
but if there's a work event going on,
then I'm not gonna stop myself from having a few beers.
I think that's the thing is you have to get small wins.
Like most people will take it as a big chunk.
They're gonna be like,
"Hey, I'm gonna lose 50 pounds this year,"
or something like that,
which is like a mammoth goal
that's really hard to actually complete.
But if you started with a small goal and said,
"Hey, in this month I'm gonna lose five pounds."
Okay, build off of that, right?
Which is kind of what you're talking about
where you started with one thing and then you were like,
"Okay, I can do this, now I'll add something else."
- It's additive. - It's very manageable.
- And at the first moment, the first crisis or adversity,
you're not going back to the old ways again.
It's like, "Well, I wasn't shooting for perfection here.
I'm just trying to really build better habits."
So I didn't fail at drinking a beer.
- That's another thing.
I feel like when I've slipped up on those changes in my life,
the slip ups have been like very small.
Like if you make small steps up, but you go back a step,
it's better than like trying to jump up to something
almost unachievable and then not being able to do it
and falling back down to where you were, you know?
- That's right, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's been my approach this year too.
I don't have any major sweeping things
because yeah, I also started working out back in the fall,
but just being more consistent with it three days a week
is where I'm at with that.
Yeah, you know, I wanna look a little better,
getting better shape.
Although I tell you what, I'm not in great shape right now
and still not having any problem meeting the ladies, so.
That's been tough.
- It's your powerful personality.
- That charisma.
- Yeah, that's right.
I need the good looks crutch.
Oh, fuck, man.
- All right, let's move on to some follow up here.
I found a hole in the backup strategy
that we had talked about last week,
or well, not last week, a month ago.
- Now, this was, refresh me, this was your sand device
that you got, your network attached device
that you bought for Plex server and all that shit.
- Right, so we had talked about the Synology device
that I have, which is the kind of the on-premise RAID device
that I have for local backup, local storage.
It then has software on top of it
that can sync to the cloud.
So in this case, I was using Amazon Cloud Drive
and syncing all my content to that,
which at the time we were thinking,
well, that was a great solution.
And nothing bad happened, but come to find out,
I kind of poked a hole in the whole idea
And that was that because it's a two way sink
from my Synology to the cloud with Amazon Drive,
if one of those got wiped, the other gets wiped.
- We'll wipe it for you.
- Now I have a third tier, which is Backblaze,
which is another storage device that I pushed directly to.
It's a one way sink, only goes up.
And so I always have a continuous backup
going into Backblaze.
And that's a very large container storage.
Like it's the same thing as what we talked about with Glacier,
where you pay for, you pay a nominal fee
for the amount of storage,
but then you pay for the IO kind of to retrieve it,
is where you really get dinged if you have to retrieve data.
Got that set up, took about three days maybe for it
to sync all my shit up to back blades,
but now I have kind of a three tiered approach,
I guess you might say.
- And what's your experience with the Synology still
after using it for a while?
- I still love it, it's great.
And I have, I've upgraded the raminate,
it's running quite a number of services,
running Plex, it's running the sync service. What else do I have running on it? I have
a handful of other apps that do a bunch of downloading. No, it works great. I love it.
Highly recommend it. Yeah, that's cool. I was going to look into that for Plex server
and I haven't really had time to do that yet, but that would be a fun project still. Cool.
Joseph, since you're new, I added you to the notes here that we wanted to check and see
see what, if any, backup strategy you had.
'Cause Mike gave us his strategy,
which was basically straight to Google Photos.
That was kind of his only backup strategy.
So do you have anything beyond that?
Oh, I have, I mean, my photo is automatically backup.
Everything on my phone backs up,
which is all the important stuff.
Any documents, important documents,
I just upload to my Gmail drive, whatever it is.
- Yeah, so you're all in on the Google Cloud.
Yeah, I think it's... I don't need a sophisticated, like I don't have any
Proposal videos or anything like that going on.
No music? Well, you didn't even grow up in the in the days of actually having to host your own mp3s and that sort of business
You stream everything. I have Spotify premium. You stream. Yeah.
In movies you have none of those. I have Netflix. Okay. Yeah
He's a youngin so he doesn't know all these old technologies from the olden days. Just turn 24
Oh my gosh, happy birthday, bully.
I mean, that's a little belated.
It's like it was like three weeks ago.
Yeah, I can tell.
That's all right.
I was laid up three weeks ago.
I got really sick over the.
When's it when when was your birthday?
December 27th, right after Christmas.
I do have a new year thing, though.
This is a continuation from last year as well.
But I did sign up for another round of Lindy Hop
at the Century Ballroom.
Oh yeah, same partner.
So we this will be our let's see one two three fourth class. We're getting okay now
We're getting to the okay stage took four classes to get to the okay stage. Yeah, we didn't know what the hell we were doing
That's that's okay. Yeah, that's pretty cool. It's cool. I could dig it. Yeah, I really like it. It's a fun
Really fun way to meet people and hang out have been and boom
Yeah, I have this I have a dance class story actually yes, so I
One time so two of my friends in college you met Devon. Yes, and her roommate
they they were going to jazz dance club in college and
They decided they wanted me to come too and so I was just in my room
I didn't know that it was even happening
I had just taken an edible and I in my dorm room
So I was like getting ready for that
And they like roll up and I was still feeling fine and they were like hey
"Do you want to go to Jazz Dance Club?"
I was like, "Oh, sure, yeah, that sounds fine.
I feel great right now.
It hits me super hard.
And I remember, like, I wasn't doing the moves correctly
'cause I suck at dancing.
And this guy, like, stopped the entire class
and, like, made me do this move in front of everybody.
- Oh, no.
- And it was, like, a dip move.
And I had this girl who was, like, bigger than me
and so I couldn't, like, effectively dip her.
and they were making me stop, me and her stop
and do this in front of the class.
And I was just like, dude, like in my mind,
I was like, dude, it's not happening.
Can you please stop?
- Move on.
- I'm like, hyper anxious.
I'm like, oh God, they're gonna know I'm high.
- They're coming after me, they're gonna find me out.
- They're gonna find out I smoked the wacky weed.
- I'm gonna clip that too.
- I like that.
Yeah, we're gonna make, this is a soundbite episode.
We're gonna make a lot of soundbites
for the sound board that we don't have yet.
We're working on it.
Work on the sound board.
That roadcaster pro looks pretty cool.
I'm glad I can become a permanent part of the pod.
Yeah, we do need his permission.
We should have made him sign the waiver
before we started recording.
Let's move on, shall we, from the weed and the drinking?
If you insist.
Or do you have more to talk about in dancing?
No, not much more to talk about.
I did get some new dance shoes though.
And I would recommend that.
What is that?
Like what do they do that is different than standard?
They click when you touch the--
That's tap shoes.
That's a different class.
I mean, I want to see him doing tap dancing.
Don't get me wrong.
That would be amazing.
Yeah, I'm going to work on that.
We could have that on the cast too,
because we could just put some mics down on the floor.
That could be our sound bite.
If you give me a few more Coors Lights,
anything's possible, boys.
No, they're just-- they're suede bottoms.
So they don't have rubber soles.
And it's very slick.
So it's all on a wood floor naturally, right?
like a gym floor and it just goes,
you gotta be careful, you don't go flying around,
flying your ass.
- But it, I know for like Christina doing Zumba,
like her shoes that she buys from them,
they have like, they are rubber sold,
but the ball of the foot is like around,
like it has a round kind of print on it,
so that you can pivot easier,
rather than it kind of gripping and stopping you
from like spinning.
So I wonder if it's kind of the same kind of premise.
- I don't, I'll look next time,
but I don't recall that seeing anything like that.
It just seemed like the bottom was.
- No, no, no, yeah, yeah, I get that,
but like it will help you so that you don't grip
to the floor, right?
As you're spinning or trying to do various things, right?
- Right, yeah, exactly.
Well, and this is the other thing too,
taking four rounds of classes now, 20 weeks, about.
In the beginning, watching them do these things,
like even the basic movements,
everything was very exaggerated in the beginning,
like a basic step, I would might move like three feet
or something like that.
And I think what's cool about the progression
of the whole thing is that the more we get into it,
like the fewer movements that you really make.
Like you don't have to move that much.
You don't have to lift your foot off the ground that much.
Like everything's really kind of micro.
And in the beginning it just seemed overwhelming.
And I'm like, oh, I gotta do this and really exaggerate it.
And that's not the case.
And so it's getting easier that way.
It's kind of fun.
- All right, moving on.
Let's talk a little bit about chrome plugins.
- Who uses chrome anymore anyway?
- Bullies is chrome.
Yeah, I use Grom. Reddit enhancement suite.
I wasn't ready for you yet.
What are you enhancing?
You probably replace all images like cat images or something like that.
No, it just like-- well, it used to be really important because--
Well, you don't use the beta, though.
I do use the beta.
When-- OK, so--
So you know old Reddit before they did the big update?
I mean, I used it before, but I couldn't tell you what changed.
I don't know what happened.
- It looked like a website from the 90s.
- Kind of like Craigslist.
- Uh, I don't know.
- Not as bad as Craigslist.
- I don't know what Craigslist looks like.
- Have you not used Craigslist?
- Are you an OfferUp guy?
You just don't barter online.
- I prefer Amazon.
- Oh, do you sell items on Amazon?
- No, I buy items on Amazon.
- Do you use eBay?
- I have used eBay once only.
I didn't use it.
My mom used it to buy me something.
What'd she get you?
- I think it was like a Yu-Gi-Oh card.
- The fuck is he talking about?
- Fuck is a Yu-Gi-Oh.
- It's like Pokemon cards,
but they had a different cartoon
and it was like different, I don't know.
It was like, it was a trading card.
- I don't have anything to add to that.
- That's fair.
I think it's a generational thing.
- All right, let's go back to Chrome plugins.
- I do understand Chrome plugins, yes.
- Reddit enhancements, too.
- Reddit enhancements, sweet.
- They read it used to be a site
and it looked like it was designed in the 90s.
- It's still a site by the way.
- It used to look like it was designed in the 90s
and they did a big update
so it's not as important anymore
but back when it was important,
it would add features like loading the next page
when you scroll to the bottom.
So it had like an end with scroll
instead of like clicking through web pages.
It would have like an image blow up.
So like if somebody linked an image,
you could just click a button
and it would show within the website
rather than having to go to an image hosting site.
Stuff like that, like little tweaks
that make modern web browsing nice.
- I don't know what it does anymore,
but I keep it on there because I think it helps.
- So is that the topic?
Is this like what Chrome extensions do you use?
- What do you use?
Yeah, so you use, what else do you use besides?
- Adblock plus.
- Adblock, so you're a big Adblock fan.
- Yep, I do Adblock.
I have some like PDF reader stuff in Chrome that makes it easier to read books on my computer.
And then I have another like I have a Google Cloud extension too, but I don't really know
what it does.
I've had these I've had all these for like a long time, and they're just so integrated
into like the things I do online that I don't really notice that it's different anymore.
So you're like a last pass user, right?
I really want to get last pass on my home computer, but I don't.
You don't have a password manager, right?
So that's all the plugins that you have primarily that you can think of.
Any of them, do you allow, for you, it probably doesn't matter because none of them are secure
or create any kind of secure problem.
So allowing them in incognito map mode doesn't probably matter to you or even you probably
Yeah, I don't think I care that much.
I do have, oh, and the one I did download one recently, it was like Google Authenticator,
so I have like two factor authentication on certain things.
But that's not, that's the, there's like an extension for Google Authenticator?
I think so.
I have it on my phone and I have it on, I think Chrome.
Yeah, there is.
I might have to look at that one.
Mike, what Chrome extensions do you run?
Do you run Chrome?
I do run Chrome.
Yeah, that's the only browser I use, actually, is Chrome.
Last pass, password manager.
Adblock standard, probably.
I don't think I pay for it.
And my budgeting, I use Winab.
You need a budget.
Winab is my soft, my budgeting.
So what is that? What does the extension allow you to do?
Yeah, it's just it's since it's a web-based app
It's kind of like you were just Joseph was talking about with reddit. It just gives you a better user experience
They've fixed a lot of these things and their product now
It's been out for a couple years when it first came out
It was lacking in some functionality like for example some of the reports
They had a they had a desktop version of the software and then they went to a cloud based version software as a service
and there wasn't, it didn't bring over all the features initially. And so this
extension tried to make up the difference. And so that must be a third
party extension. Yeah, it's a third party. And so it tried to build in some things
and make it a little easier to use. The other one I use is called Hey Habit and
it's, it replaces the default screen, the home, like the blank screen when you open
a new tab and it kind of looks like a calendar and you can put in all the
different habits that you have and then like click the box when you do it.
So reading or working out or whatever, drinking beer, kind of see,
track your, your habit history.
And it comes with a daily inspirational photo.
I've noticed that on your machine when I walked by on occasion, not the checkboxes
so much, but the photo for sure.
You allow the unit of budget in incognito mode or any of the other extensions
that you have.
Reason I ask that is because like it has a privacy concern potentially, you're allowing a third party access into what's supposed to be a very private session.
I do not.
My extensions are not on incognito mode.
None of them.
Do you use incognito mode that often?
Web development all the time.
Well, web development makes sense because you're getting rid of caching, but why?
For personal uses.
Any websites you like to frequent?
Not really for personal mode.
That Reign with Born Hub.
Dot com dot work.
The primary one would be one password,
which is my password manager,
and I use that a lot in Cognito mode
to log into different various websites,
to log into applications that I'm developing,
whatever, it doesn't matter.
That would be the first one that comes to mind.
And I think that's the only one that I have in,
that has allowed in incognito mode, I think.
But I have quite a bunch of other ones.
I have the Amazon Assistant for Chrome.
I use that quite a bit.
That just gives you alerts and notifications
based on Amazon purchases and that sort of thing.
You can also add things from other websites
to your Amazon shopping list.
Just kind of with one click.
So I use that quite a lot.
I have DuckDuckGo because I use that as a search engine.
So I have that extension, Google Doc in Drive plugins.
I have all those.
I call it bookmarks, which is actually a pretty cool one
because I use Safari as my primary browser on my Mac,
but I use Chrome on Windows.
That syncs my bookmarks from Chrome to the Mac side,
and as well as Safari on my iPhone.
So that way I can keep the same set of bookmarks
in both places.
- I wanna talk, can I go off on a little tangent
about Amazon because you said you use it
to track your packages.
- There's some changes going on on Amazon right now
about package delivery.
I don't know if you've had this experience,
either one of you guys,
but twice in the last two weeks,
like well, end of December, beginning of January,
I've ordered a few items and I ordered some stuff
to my apartment and I just moved,
but at that place I did not have like a concierge service.
It was just a private residence.
And I had a package sent there and they couldn't reach me
'cause I wasn't home.
And so instead of reattempting delivery,
it said info needed.
And they would not reattempt delivery.
Like we need more information on how to deliver your package.
Like we need to know the code to get in or some way
that the courier can get it inside the building.
I've never had that happen before.
And it happened again.
I ordered a clothing steamer
And I had it sent to the office on the third.
And they tried delivering it like at 8 p.m.
It was UPS and it was the same shit.
They came back the next day and said more info needed
and didn't reattempt delivery.
- So I've had the same issue delivering here
where I would intentionally have it delivered
say like on a Monday.
And then for whatever reason they're ahead
and they tried to deliver it on a Sunday.
And then they would say,
"Oh, failed delivery, couldn't access the building."
But in those scenarios, I've always had
like an automatic re-delivery the next day.
So it's not gonna problem.
- They always used to retry.
So I don't know what's going on.
Now the first case was using Amazon's proprietary
And that could be different because, you know,
they'd act differently, but this one was UPS.
- Yeah, that's a little strange from UPS.
Any of the big three like FedEx, UPS or USPS,
I would have expected no problem there.
Yeah, I had to get on the Horn of Customer service
and I said, "Hey, it's been 10 days.
I haven't received this thing yet.
And they said, well, it's already past the delivery window.
We can just say that it's missing or lost or stolen
or something and we'll just send a new one out.
- And that's frustrating too, because like,
traditionally the office has always been kind of like
the safe place to send it.
Like if I'm not gonna be home or if I don't want to stolen
or whatever, I always send it to the office
and that's kind of like, I always considered that the easy
or safe place, it would always arrive.
- Safe place to do over beds too?
- Well, it fucking got here, didn't it, Joseph?
Perfect use of the bomb filter right there.
- You have one yet?
What would your filter sound like?
- I don't know.
- He's not that lubed up yet.
We gotta give him some more Picardi.
- I don't know if it's gonna happen.
- You're putting me on the spot.
I'm feeling it.
- He's feeling it.
He's just not feeling that inspired.
- I put a lot of Wayland's 151 in there.
- This episode was sponsored by Wayland's liquor cabinet.
Thank you, Wayland.
I also looked for Wayland's eggnog.
- Oh, but is that gone finally?
- It's probably, it's gone, unfortunately.
- I had just a little pour of that thing
and it was potent.
- That man knows his way around hard alcohol.
- Yes, I would never challenge him in that arena.
- He's a great office mate.
- You're doing this all wrong.
Let me show you here, get out of the way.
Oh yeah, I always like whenever we make drinks back there, I'm always like, "Weyland, what do you recommend?"
He was all over the Spanish coffees when we made those.
Startin' stuff on fire.
Well, that's right. I remember you guys did that.
Dropping flaming sugar onto the floor.
Oh yeah, I mean like, I didn't want that responsibility, but I trust Wailand with flaming alcohol in the office.
Oh, sure. If there's one guy that has that under control, use the guy.
Yeah, so I don't know what the Amazon, getting back that whole thing, what that's about.
But it happened twice.
It's never happened.
Six years of getting shit from them or whatever, that's never happened before.
So I don't know what they're doing now.
Yeah, they're definitely delivering, I think, at later times.
And maybe that's it.
Maybe because the stuff is out of business hours now, then they just have a different
procedure for that than they do if it's eight to five, they'll re-attempt.
I don't know.
Well, to sum up or finish up the extensions, a couple that you might be interested in,
Todoist. I have Todoist for Gmail. So when you open up Gmail, it gives you a Todoist
list at the bottom so that you can attach emails to your Todo items or that sort of
thing, or you can do anything with Todoist. You can add items just like you would through
the app itself. And then I have a Todoist task manager for Chrome itself. So you can
actually click the button up at the top of Chrome and same thing. You can open up the
list and do stuff from that instead of having to use the app or the website or whatever.
Excellent. Okay. And then view JS DevTools, which we use here pretty extensively. But
that pretty much rounds out what I got. Not doing a lot of front-end work right now, but
that's good to know.
One of the problems I have with Chrome extensions is like some of them get access to your personal
browsing history if you download them.
And so I kind of try to not use too many of them, I guess.
I would say generally that's true of me, although I do have most of any of us probably.
But they're very specific to services that I use pretty regularly.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Like I don't I don't go installing just all kinds of random weird, you know grease monkey script type things
That's a good idea extra toolbars. Yeah, exactly
Have you ever seen there's like I remember back when those were a big thing like there was a screenshot of like some browser
Where you couldn't even see the content of the screen because there was like
17 toolbars that were just like stacked one on top of the other have the ask jeevs bar and then like five fucking
Promotional bars underneath it in an Explorer 6.
AOL bar, Netscape bar.
I remember that.
I remember all of those things.
Mike, tell me about your iPad.
You got a new iPad.
Dude, I have an iPad Pro.
I got the Apple Pencil.
Sorry, a pencil.
And the Apple proprietary pencil.
It only works on this model.
So when I upgrade,
gotta spend $100 on the next model.
I really like it a lot.
Well, I'll say this, the 12.9, the larger version,
way too big.
It'd be like carrying around my MacBook Pro.
It just felt awkward.
Too much, too big.
This is great.
Had it for about a month.
been traveling a lot, mileage runs, getting mileage runs.
I got my MVP gold status last year.
So I've been bringing this thing on planes,
Netflix movies, downloads, it's really nice.
- You travel exclusively with that then
instead of the MacBook?
Or do you bring both?
- I tried it, okay, so I still have that old,
well, I have that Dell XPS 13 that I got a year ago.
- Remember that one?
Like the small guy.
So I brought that and the iPad to Sacramento on Monday.
Did not bring this.
You lined up all your computers, you could have like the AT&T bars in size.
You can make your own AT&T commercial.
I have enough.
Yeah, I need to use Craigslist or OfferUp and kind of get rid of a few things.
This is very nice though.
I like it a lot.
It's because it syncs with everything else.
The phone, the iPad, the iMac, everything's together.
Like the writing apps that I use, note taking, syncs to everything.
It's a nice ecosystem.
I like it all.
And I think the 11 inches is a good size.
It's not too large.
And the keyboard's okay.
It's a little difficult to get used to
because it is scrunched together,
but it's not that bad.
And it can do everything except for development
that I'm doing.
So it's a nice note taker.
I did buy the remarkable a while back.
Remember that digital tablet?
The digitize around this is fantastic.
And so there's some good apps out there
that you can use that work way better than that.
So I'm gonna be selling the remarkable two.
Note, something, something, what is this thing?
Notability, and yeah, great way to keep your notes organized.
It's all in color.
Yeah, it's good.
- So what do you find yourself using it primarily for?
Like what are the primary use cases
that you use that versus your MacBook?
The MacBooks only really use for development, so if I am at home, I have an island in the
kitchen, I'll have this open on there and I'll be reading Apple news.
I have all my subscriptions now through that, so The Times, Wall Street Journal, Economet,
all that shit.
So I'll read the news in the morning on that and play Spotify to my speakers in the apartment
through this and check email.
Yeah, it's really like the multitasking device.
And then if I really need to be heads down getting work done,
it's on the MacBook Pro.
'Cause right now, well, I have windows running in parallels.
So that's really handy.
I can go back and forth, Windows Mac coding.
It's kind of the coding workhorse.
And the iPad is the productivity tool for everything else.
- I've heard kind of the same type of stories
about the iPad primarily is that like,
Most people can't develop on it,
even people that are developing Mac specific apps,
there's still no like Xcode or anything like that for it.
- The funny thing about it is that everything
that I've heard about the iPad compared to the MacBooks
is that the iPad actually in many cases
is more powerful than the MacBooks.
In terms of like pure spec wise.
So the fact that they don't have a development platform
available to it is kind of like a very large missed
opportunity or maybe it's on the way but.
- Yeah, if that's the case then I would agree with you.
It's very snappy because yeah, it has that what a 11 bionic chip, right?
A 12. I don't remember, but it's but it's also a different operating system.
So it's hard to compare because yeah, it's very responsive.
I've never had really any latency or delays with it, but you're just running kind of a lightweight OS.
I'd love to see it running windows and now that shit made this has this has more Ram hard drive,
that sort of thing. But I suppose you could max that out and get pretty damn close to.
But I think in terms of like pure CPU performance, like they the specs or the benchmarks say that
Maybe not that model, but the the most beefy model that you can get of that will outperform a lot of the MacBooks. Okay
That's impressive. It only came out a few months after the MacBook
Pro line came out
Because what this was late summer and I think the iPads were
Great screens beautiful resolution the retina display. It's all right. Yeah
Yeah, all very nice. Just so doesn't seem to he's laughing at you right now
It's okay. Just the way you said retina. Oh, yeah, that's the
Aluminium aluminum. Oh, is that the spokesperson for Apple now or something?
I think they're a chief design guy got it
I think you showed me a video of him the iPad 11 Pro has a beautiful 11 inch retina display
He's got a very posh English
Aluminium that are refugees mined out of the earth
Small Chinese children built these machines. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty bad
Yay consumerism. Yeah, maybe I should stop eating beef too. Okay
All right moving on from the iPad Pro I have another question way back on episode two oh
That's more than a year ago.
Let me think about that for a minute.
What would we have talked about in episode two?
Okay, so the first episode was Mike Check.
And like was episode two the first full length feature?
It was around Thanksgiving time, I believe.
And we were talking about the tech
that we were thankful for.
Think you're narrowing in on it maybe.
Am I getting close, warmer?
But what did you...
So we talked about home, so like, for you, it was like your Sonos devices.
You liked the networking, the Sonos, the Sonos devices.
And we talked about Echo and that kind of thing.
And I don't remember what else.
Spin coffee maker.
Um, yeah, I did get another, another update last week.
- Look, the forums are fascinating by the way.
Like the forums, like there's the same like seven
or eight people that are just like flinging rocks
to these guys, but they're still hanging on.
- Wait, can you back up a couple steps and tell me?
- Oh yeah.
- So you guys want to, the original joke was a sponsorship
from Spin Coffee Maker.
- No, that was not, I mean, we were joking,
but no, we weren't gonna get a sponsorship.
Mike actually has an order through, what, a Kickstarter?
- They were on Kickstarter and this happened two years ago.
So this would have been in 20, well really December, 2016.
If you can go back that far.
- Sidebar, for those of you who don't know,
Mike's really big on Kickstarter things.
- I buy a lot on Kickstarter.
I bought a battery charger, like you know those Anker,
Anker. - Yeah.
- USB-C charger is a Kickstarter thing
that lets you charge all your USB-C devices.
It'll charge the MacBook Pro, iPad, any laptop that's USB-C.
It will charge.
- So, I don't have a whole lot of information on this,
but like there's a problem with USB-C
where it was supposed to be a cord
that could plug into anything,
do data transfer, charging, et cetera, et cetera.
But it didn't really accomplish that.
And I'll have a whole lot of extensive knowledge
on that subject.
- I don't know.
This is the first time hearing of it.
I don't know. Oh, okay.
I don't use it for much other than basic charging.
So does it charge everything then?
It will, yeah, that's the claim.
It has enough power to charge even a MacBook Pro,
so you can, and that's the most energy hungry device
you can get, so, and it can charge multiples
at the same time, so you can do the iPad, the Mac,
it has three ports and the phone at the same time.
Go back to the spin coffee, two years ago, December 2016.
two years and a month ago, and half a month ago.
- The beginning of the Trump presidency.
- Oh God, it was the beginning, at the end.
Yeah, it was in December 2016.
And this coffee maker was on Kickstarter,
and it was very exciting.
Demo, video, infographics, but it's Alexa.
It's an Alexa compatible coffee maker.
It's a La Marzocco type machine.
It's a commercial type machine for the home.
And so they've taken all the components and put them in.
It's the first consumer grade like home,
bean to coffee, whatever they call that, machine.
So it looks like a Mr. Coffee,
but you actually have a conical bird grinder on top
and this thing's Alexa enabled
and it's wifi, it communicates like when the beans are low
it'll automatically reorder the beans for you
and have them shipped to the house.
But I think even more than that,
like one of the things that made it very unique
was that it used some centripetal force
to like instead of like pressure, right?
To extract water from the coffee grounds,
which is kind of a unique take,
which I don't think I've ever seen anything else emulate
Yeah, it's something crazy.
Like tens of thousands of RPMs, this thing will spin
and it extracts the goods out of the coffee bean
at an even rate at the right temperature.
And there are, the engineers behind this
have worked with a lot of the big commercial coffee products.
They have a deep bench when it comes to expertise
around coffee making.
And so yeah, it was a high quality product
that was Wi-Fi enabled, interconnected,
and all that shit.
And we're still waiting for it to deliver.
That's kind of the long story short.
It was gonna be delivered sometime in mid 2017.
And then they had delays, delays, delays.
- So what's the excuse then?
- There's been a lot of things.
I mean, ultimately, they made a lot of assumptions early on
in the prototyping phase that didn't pan out really well.
And so they were, when they were doing
stress testing on the device,
they were running into various issues.
So the grinder was too noisy
or the water heater was positioned incorrectly
and like the beans were,
the extraction process was uneven.
So you would get beans that were getting too much exposure
and burning and other ones that were getting enough.
And so it was an inconsistent blend.
- Oh, so it's gonna roast the coffee as well?
- Does the whole process,
- Well, no, not roast, but I'm just saying,
like as far as putting the water into the ground beans,
you know, it was some areas were getting oversaturated,
overheated and other ones not so much, not enough.
- You'd think of it was spinning those things though,
like the even, I don't know how it works.
- Yeah, I mean, they, and they're very detailed
in their updates about this stuff.
So I mean, it's legitimate.
It's just that they were,
let's just say they're very unrealistic
about their delivery estimates.
And they've had to go back and re-engineer many parts
to get this thing to work up to the quality standards
they wanted to hold up to.
And so they've stopped about a year ago
giving us estimated dates of delivery.
And just instead like kind of let us know,
hey, in this round, you know, like,
Paul's team worked on this thing
and they found this flaw and they're fixing it.
and we got the tools we made in China for that part
and all this shit, you know, I mean,
and they just got another round of funding.
So they're actually doing okay.
I mean, they've ramped up.
They've got a lot of staff.
They have a lot of engineers on this thing.
And some of the test setups are really cool too.
I mean, they have YouTube videos of them
stress testing these things.
It's really quite impressive.
- So is this gonna end up being like,
again, I'll reference my friend Aaron Hoop
who long time ago bought, what was it?
The coolest cooler thing I think it was that one.
It comes with a free blender on top.
That was it, yeah.
She was gonna use it on her boat.
She was all excited.
She ordered right away, went on for years and years,
like didn't deliver, didn't deliver, didn't deliver.
And then all of a sudden they send out this email
and they're like, "Hey, we're gonna start selling
these things on Amazon, but we haven't delivered
to all our original backers yet.
But if you want one, you could go buy it on Amazon.
Is it gonna be the same type of deal?"
I think what's gonna happen with these guys,
they are gonna, well, they're already way late,
but they have been very good on a couple fronts.
One, still to this day, anybody can get a refund.
So if I wanted to stop waiting for this thing,
I could just say, hey, take my money back.
By the way, they stopped doing the discount pricing.
So I got this thing, I got the big daddy
that comes with the milk steamer and all this shit.
And it was deeply discounted.
I think retail price for that was around 9.99.
I think I paid 6.49 for that.
And it does, so the price point's good.
It's a small piece and it makes all your drinks.
So you can say Alexa make an espresso
or Alexa make a maricano,
whatever type of coffee you wanna have,
like it will adjust and do that for you.
The other piece that I like about it
is they have a curated coffee bean store
with the features local roasters,
like small roasters across the country.
And so you can find, I'm just gonna make shit up,
You can find your Umbria bean or your Herkimer coffee there if you want to whatever and so they curate these things from all over and
Whatever the fucking coffee bean guy is called
Can put his own
Recipes or own rules into the machine so if you buy my bag of beans and it's the dark roast
Then it's gonna have these adjustments in the machine
To give you the perfect brew
You just scan the code and
Bam that sounds interesting to me. Yeah. Yeah, it seems a little gimmicky, but I'm sure like if it works that'd be pretty cool
So I'm excited for it. I held out for a year and a half by not buying any other coffee stuff
I had like French press
But I've slowly started building up my
Like I have I have one of those be a letty
Percolators now. Yeah, at what point do you just say fuck it and might get a Breville or whatever we have I've thought about it
It's a sunk cost already. I mean that money was spent two years ago. I got to keep it in the divorce. So you know I
Didn't have to like buy her out of her half of the coffee maker
The coffee maker that you don't I don't have yeah exactly
So you know as far as I'm concerned
It'll be a nice gift if it ever shows up
And if not, I just have really good French press at home anyway, and there's no ATA. They're not giving out any ATAs anymore
Yeah, it's it seems smart to me considered everything considering what's happened already. Yeah, what they're doing is they're providing really lengthy reports once a month with videos and
Descriptions of everything that happened over the last month. Here's where we improved here's like something new we discovered and
And they're in the manufacturing process and I know a little bit of this from when I worked at Stanley, but there's different
You know names for each kind of tollgate or whatever each step of the process
And I think they're in the process called beta one. And so there'll probably be another beta behind after that beta two
May I don't know if there's a third one, but they're getting
Closer to production. It's just not quite
Ready for mass production yet. It's it speaks highly of them that they the fact that they've been so delayed and that people
Generally speaking in these types of things when they have delays that are this of this magnitude people will will ask for refunds
And effectively that'll bankrupt whatever they're trying to do.
So the fact that that hasn't occurred yet,
like speaks pretty highly of them,
especially given the timeline.
- I think that it was at a very low point there,
sometime in late 2017, '18,
where a lot of people had been out of frustration,
asked for refunds and bailed on the thing.
There's a small group of us that are just like,
"Hey, this is how these things go.
There's no guarantees."
And then I thought it was really encouraging
that they just raised a pretty hefty round,
I think last month, so I don't know.
- Well, it generated a lot of interest originally, right?
- Yeah, it did.
- Yeah, that probably helped their case right there
to get more funding that they didn't just need
And I would imagine that if there's a sizable group
that are still in it after all the delays,
like two years down the road,
that that would help them as well.
I wasn't sure at first that point in time last year
if it was gonna happen and I feel pretty good about it now
and they're moving.
And I like, you have to stop at some point, right?
There's a certain line where you say,
okay, it's good enough for V1 and we're gonna fix it later.
I mean, the iPhone 10 iterations later
is a very different product.
And I think they're trying to do an honest job
of getting something out there that's quality,
but hopefully they don't take it too far.
I mean, I want something nice,
but I'm not gonna be pissed if it doesn't have
all 84 features on the first version.
- All right, we're running long, so.
- I get that a lot.
- A lot of tangent, well, okay.
- Well, we'll ignore the whole in the news segment,
which has quite a bit of stuff in it,
and we'll go on to the last topic that I have here,
and that is solving complex problems,
and I wanted to talk about that a little bit,
mainly because of our conversation this week,
regarding the project that you're working on.
And we don't have to go into details
of the problem specifically,
but I thought it was interesting as we kind of sat
and just kind of chatted about the problem from end to end.
And you were kind of beating your head against a wall
and trying to find a solution.
And then you kind of went through a,
or just kind of ran me through the problem.
And suddenly a pretty apparent solution came
from just doing that.
So I guess I kind of wanted to talk a little bit
through what are your techniques
for solving complex problems?
Or when you run into a wall, how do you solve those things?
Right, and I would say, I think most,
a lot of the technical folks that I've worked with
in the past, I think we have a natural tendency
to not ask.
We will go to Stack Overflow or go on Google
and engage in the search process,
but not often think the first thing or second thing
or even the fifth thing I should do is just go talk to the guy next door down the hall
for whatever reason. They're busy, I don't want to interrupt people, it's my problem,
I got to figure it out. I got to go through this crisis myself. And it was a good reminder
that that's not the best way to get to a solution, right? I think some of the other
things that I've done on my own involve even just like, I've talked to you about this before,
if I'm struggling with something,
whatever it is, a life decision, a code issue,
some software problem, work problem,
I think about it before I go to sleep.
And a lot of times, like I'll get that going
while I fall asleep.
And then I've, many times I've woken up
in the shower having coffee and then it hits me,
like this is what I should do or the solution
is easier to arrive at in the morning.
That works a lot.
I mean, I've done that many times.
- So in that case, that's kind of almost like a step away.
Like you're thinking about it,
but you're also taking like a step away from the problem,
kind of getting away from it and then returning to it.
And then you kind of come up with a solution
after a break in this case, sleep.
Right, get away from it.
Because I think that's it.
In the case that we were talking about yesterday,
what happened was a similar thing.
Like the focus was just, it was very circular,
like very narrow field of focus on this problem.
And it's like, well, there's only so many ways
this can be solved.
And like, well, how can I force this way
and that way is not working?
And we talked about it and it was like,
know, there's something way over here that we weren't even thinking about.
That happened to be the right solution and it worked.
And it happened to be a very simple solution, like almost to the point of like,
other people were walking up and I was like, Hey, double check me on this.
Cause this seems absurdly simple, right?
But for whatever reason, like you were just kind of in that, like,
I'm going to ram this solution home, right?
Like a very narrow field of vision.
And for some reason you just couldn't see the wider picture.
So I think the takeaway from that is to lean on other people more,
even if it seems like, well, they don't have experience in this area or
they're busy or I don't want to interrupt.
I think that saved my ass more times than I remember because I spend way too
much time alone trying to figure it out.
So the question would be then though, like what, at what point is that appropriate?
Like, so you've, you've now, you've, you've worked through it.
You've used Stack Overflow, you've exhausted Google, you've done this, you've
done that, like at what point is it now? Okay, I need to kind of resolve this. I can't resolve
it on my own or I need to bring this to another party or I need to use some other mechanism
right? I need to walk away and come back three hours later.
Well, in this particular case, this was something I was struggling with for about a week and
I think that was way too long. I probably could have done it in the first few hours
or even after the first day, just been saying, Hey, run something by you have any thoughts
on how you would approach this or what I could look into and what I could do. Could have
to save a lot of time.
- I feel like even another solution too,
like I do this with Christina a lot
as I'll start telling her the problem
and even just like relaying the problem to her,
she doesn't say anything,
but like relaying the problem to her,
like suddenly like in my mind,
like I have something clicks and I'm like,
oh fuck, I just figured out the problem on my own.
- Nice, yeah.
- So I find that to, I think I've done that with you
even before just kind of replaying the problem to you.
And then I'll be like, oh nevermind,
I know what the hell I'm doing.
- I feel like we both do that.
Yeah, well, I've gone into you before with issues
and then I just like thought of a solution.
You're like, good job.
- Go do it.
I've been on the other side of that.
Yeah, where people have come to me and all of a sudden,
it's like, oh yeah, I don't really need your help.
After all, I just need you to listen.
I got it.
- It's interesting.
Like it's almost like that does widen your field of vision
just because you're outputting what your problem is versus,
you know, just sitting there looking at it
and thinking like, oh, I can solve this on my own.
I don't know what creates that sudden realization.
I think this is more of a novice piece, but I think it's important too, is that like maybe
with less experience or earlier on, like things that I got tripped up in was not simplifying
the problem set.
So there maybe like seemed like the problem wasn't atomic.
Not breaking it down into logical steps.
And it's like, well, I got to get this endpoint working, but I didn't, you know, maybe if you
looked at that, it's like, well, there's multiple pieces to this.
Like I need to solve the traffic part of it.
I need to solve the data format issue or whatever.
And that might be a few steps, two or three steps.
And it's like, okay, well, I don't know that one, but I can get this one to work.
Then kind of gain momentum.
If you, if you approach a big problem like this or that you've, you've run into a
problem that's, you can't solve like things that you try and do any other
ones that we haven't mentioned.
Um, I, I don't know.
I usually talk to other people.
I don't know, I'm still pretty early on in my career
where if I go to you guys with an issue that I have,
usually you're just like, "Well, do this."
And I usually get around it.
- I think that's an interesting perspective though.
Maybe it's a product of experience, right?
Like now you're hard headed.
I should know how to fix this
versus somebody who's newer and more willing
to go and ask for help.
- I think that's a big part of it.
I think that's huge.
- Yeah, we a lot of times carry the burden
on our shoulders or feel like in order to be good,
we gotta figure it out.
- And it wastes a lot of time.
- Don't have that ego.
- Somewhat to my advantage too,
'cause like I definitely the youngest person here
by like half a decade at least.
So it's easier.
I feel like it's easier for me to go to people
and ask them questions,
because then, I don't know, maybe they just assume
that I'm still rookie, I need help, or I don't know.
- No, I don't think that at all.
I think it's, on the receiving end of it,
I like being available to help.
And so I think maybe keeping that in mind too,
it's like, well, other people want that opportunity.
- Yeah, and I think in the same thing,
like collaboration I think is usually enjoyable.
A lot of engineers wanna stay in kind of a silo,
but I enjoy collaborating with somebody on a project,
so it doesn't bother me at all,
but I think it's a good lesson to learn
from this experience is that, you know,
be feel free to ask or talk to other people,
even if you are a senior engineer
or whatever the case may be,
like you know, talk to other people,
talk through the problems, you know,
they may have experience that you're not leveraging.
- It's an intentional movement
because I think what happens a lot of times,
especially for us, but we're getting bigger now,
as a smaller company largely. What happens is that you've got a bunch of
siloed people and so it's really easy to go days or even a few weeks without even
going to some of the teammates, seeing anybody, talking to anybody and so it's
easy to kind of get form-bad habits that way. Say well we work this way every day
so this is how I have to solve problems every day too is not talk to people and
just put my headphones on or whatever. Yeah. It's a good point. It's a good one.
I'm glad you brought that up. That was a good one. It really hadn't occurred to me
is just that, you know, like I said with Christina just talking through the problem
and then all of a sudden snap there it is, or in this case just talking through the
problem and something else comes up. Like I do that more than I guess I realize.
Yeah. Whether it's you or whether it's the IT folks or Joseph or Christina, it
doesn't matter. It just seems like I kind of, I use that as a crutch. Maybe it's not a crutch,
maybe it's a benefit.